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FizzlePopBerryTwist #1 Posted 03 December 2019 - 07:59 PM

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I just had the 'pleasure' of a game of mostly Tier 7 and a few Tier 8.

While for the most part, it would be a classic 'noobfest', the tier 8's stood out.

 

I drive Lansen C and had a Super Pershing

The enemy a TS-5 and Obj 416

 

... balance.

 

My Lansen can't pen the lower plate of Ts5 reliable (due to 0.38 pen) and flanking wasn't an option (narrow streets filled with tanks)

 

What a joke.

 

Like the Defender and the Upcoming Ausf_J sale... -and whatever comes next.

Edit: i also would like to remind obj 268 ... which was just as broken.

 

ps. "Wg doesn't nerf prems" <<< i heard that one before... please tell it to my rotting Type59.

 


Edited by FizzlePopBerryTwist, 04 December 2019 - 08:44 PM.


Hyina #2 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:10 PM

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I mean if you can see a tank coming towards you that you will have difficulty penning, how about turning your tank and relocating? The TS5 is not exactly an EBR...

LCpl_Jones #3 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:19 PM

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jUsT aim At tHE WEakSpotS
 

 

 



ValkyrionX #4 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:21 PM

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I think it's the first time someone complains about the TS5 on the forum.


This tank has a good armor but due to its characteristics it is absolutely balanced and very easy to penetrate.

This is a TS5 against the gun of a Lansen C 100m away, easy and almost assured penetration, with special ammunition the penetration on the front increases from +10 to +15% more.

 

It is also an extremely slow vehicle, it has a very good DPM and absolutely decent damage per shot, but it is not a monstrous tank as you paint it, in my opinion it is a well balanced vehicle. Obviously not having a rotating turret has the disadvantage of a fixed gun in the hull, just track these vehicles twice and their game is often over.

 

If you can't penetrate it, you're not forced to stand in front of the opposing TS5, raise your heels and find an easier target. No?

 

0.38 pen??

What does 0.38 pen mean? Do you mean the dispersion of the Lancen C?

The dispersion of the Lancen, if you mean it , with a very aggressive configuration, even reaches 0.33, so very accurate as gun.

 

 

 

 


Edited by ValkyrionX, 03 December 2019 - 08:26 PM.


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wEight_Tanker #6 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:27 PM

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What? I used to bash on that thing in my T-44 with regular ammo in frontline.

speedphlux #7 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:27 PM

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Damn ! Can't auto-aim on a TS-5 and kill it ? Must be OP !

I've been away from the game for a bit. Thanks for reminding me how much stupidity there is within the WoT Community.

Homer_J #8 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:53 PM

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View PostFizzlePopBerryTwist, on 03 December 2019 - 06:59 PM, said:

 

ps. "Wg doesn't nerf prems" <<< i heard that one before... please tell it to my rotting Type59.

 

 

This is a question I have asked many times and never had an answer to.  I hope you can honour me with a reply.

 

When exactly was the Type 59 nerfed and in what way?



NUKLEAR_SLUG #9 Posted 03 December 2019 - 09:13 PM

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View PostFizzlePopBerryTwist, on 03 December 2019 - 07:59 PM, said:

My Lansen can't pen the lower plate of Ts5 reliable (due to 0.38 pen) and flanking wasn't an option (narrow streets filled with tanks)

 

What a joke.

 

What? The TS-5, who's speciality is pushing through narrow streets and corridors where it can optimally use its forward armour did well on a map with narrow streets and corridors? Say it ain't so!

 

This needs to stop. Please, WG, won't somebody think of the children? 



AIZEN_GUARD #10 Posted 03 December 2019 - 09:20 PM

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the premium get Nerf too just they dont tell  look at amx m4 49 it front armor was +260 pen need  but this day it get pen by all heavy tier 8 gold ammo (i stop a obj 140 and is7 in this tank last year and my fornt can stand for normal shell of this tank)(it has weak spot easy to kill )but my say is they Nerf premium tank just they dont say it .

lance is good tank and premium tank are only good if you shot gold ammo

even ts5 cant pen defender must time but if it load gold ammo defender run like fly

 

i dont have lance c  but i have France m4 it has pen 200 for normal shell and it hard to pen ts5 for that pen but i can w8 for my time to shot him when he show weakness and lance c is same game play you must go for snip zone never left alone and just use your alfa

 



Balc0ra #11 Posted 03 December 2019 - 09:46 PM

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View PostFizzlePopBerryTwist, on 03 December 2019 - 07:59 PM, said:

ps. "Wg doesn't nerf prems" <<< i heard that one before... please tell it to my rotting Type59.

 

 

Remember the T26E4 nerf? And the storm that followed on that? And that's why WG doesn't want to do it anymore. As the T26E4 was actually nerfed so hard it changed the role of the tank so that half the population of it sold it off for a gold refund. It was later buffed to a better state vs originally. Tho I'm sure you forgot the Type was also buffed to a better state vs when first sold at the same time.

 

But this is the first topic on someone wanting to nerf the TS-5. It's an assault TD. Its armor is only strong in one direction. Thus the name. And your flanker Swedish medium should pen it head-on because you can't aim at the cupola or the sub 200mm center line on the lower plate? Then again most track and flank it if it's alone vs staying in front of that DPM. As why not many complain about it I suspect.

 

You should be glad the tier 7 AT-15A is a rare sight. As that has 250 to 400 effective armor on his pre HD premium armor lower plate. Then your tier 8 premium would struggle.

 

View PostHomer_J, on 03 December 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

 

This is a question I have asked many times and never had an answer to.  I hope you can honour me with a reply.

 

When exactly was the Type 59 nerfed and in what way?

 

Oh I remember those nerf topics. It was mostly based on everyone suddenly having a WR drop on the tank. And it was stealth nerfed. But it was actually due to a mechanic change, on overmatching iirc. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 03 December 2019 - 09:48 PM.


UrQuan #12 Posted 03 December 2019 - 10:00 PM

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Of all the armored tanks to complain about the TS-5 is among the more balanced ones. It is a slow casemate TD with good frontal armor but not too good as shown above, it can be penned if the TS-5 driver is being too reckless.

 

Yes, the TD shines in canyons, walled lanes & narrow street. Basically any location that has a long narrow stretch. but for this it gives up a ton of flexibility. If you drive a med don't challenge armored vehicles in their strongholds (like armored tanks in cities). Go where your med has the advantage like hilly terrain, open areas, ridgelines etc. Let the enemy play on your terms, don't play on his. If your med challenges a TS-5 frontally, you are going to have a bad time. It is a tank destroyer. You don't drive in front of their guns not even as HT (unless you drive an armored HT & know what you do & even then be careful!)

 

The better tactic is to relocate & fight the TS-5 later on as it tends to be much more vulnerable in the endgame when there's far less tanks that can support it, allowing easier flanking (you can then even assault his lane in the rear!)


Edited by UrQuan, 04 December 2019 - 02:28 PM.


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View PostHomer_J, on 03 December 2019 - 07:53 PM, said:

 

This is a question I have asked many times and never had an answer to.  I hope you can honour me with a reply.

 

When exactly was the Type 59 nerfed and in what way?

 

AFAIK the Type 59 was actually buffed recently... 2017 I believe along with the stupidpershing.


Edited by RamRaid90, 03 December 2019 - 10:20 PM.


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View PostHyina, on 03 December 2019 - 08:10 PM, said:

I mean if you can see a tank coming towards you that you will have difficulty penning, how about turning your tank and relocating? The TS5 is not exactly an EBR...


Relowhatnow?!?! What is this scorcery?



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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 December 2019 - 10:19 PM, said:

 

AFAIK the Type 59 was actually buffed recently... 2017 I believe along with the stupidpershing.

For some reason the SP I am having alot of trouble with FV4202 even seems better than this



Alukat123 #16 Posted 04 December 2019 - 12:50 AM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 03 December 2019 - 08:21 PM, said:

I think it's the first time someone complains about the TS5 on the forum.


This tank has a good armor but due to its characteristics it is absolutely balanced and very easy to penetrate.

This is a TS5 against the gun of a Lansen C 100m away, easy and almost assured penetration, with special ammunition the penetration on the front increases from +10 to +15% more.

 

It is also an extremely slow vehicle, it has a very good DPM and absolutely decent damage per shot, but it is not a monstrous tank as you paint it, in my opinion it is a well balanced vehicle. Obviously not having a rotating turret has the disadvantage of a fixed gun in the hull, just track these vehicles twice and their game is often over.

 

If you can't penetrate it, you're not forced to stand in front of the opposing TS5, raise your heels and find an easier target. No?

 

0.38 pen??

What does 0.38 pen mean? Do you mean the dispersion of the Lancen C?

The dispersion of the Lancen, if you mean it , with a very aggressive configuration, even reaches 0.33, so very accurate as gun.

 

 

 

 

Tanks don't have their gun at the lower plate... 

This is a far more realistic angle to shoot at the TS-5's lower plate for most tanks:

ts-5.jpg

 

i usually just drive with the TS-5 of my team when i play heavy tank to prevent it from getting circled or flanked, usually an easy win.


Edited by Alukat123, 04 December 2019 - 12:52 AM.


NekoPuffer_PPP #17 Posted 04 December 2019 - 02:11 AM

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I'll have to agree with OP. I just got my *** handed to me on a silver platter by one in an E4... The TS-5 was a oneshot for me, but I bounced 3 or 4 shots off his commander hatch...in a row...and he just chewed me up.

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View PostFizzlePopBerryTwist, on 03 December 2019 - 07:59 PM, said:

I just had the 'pleasure' of a game of mostly Tier 7 and a few Tier 8.

While for the most part, it would be a classic 'noobfest', the tier 8's stood out.

 

I drive Lansen C and had a Super Pershing

The enemy a TS-5 and Obj 416

 

... balance.

 

My Lansen can't pen the lower plate of Ts5 reliable (due to 0.38 pen) and flanking wasn't an option (narrow streets filled with tanks)

 

What a joke.

 

Like the Defender and the Upcoming Ausf_J sale... -and whatever comes next.

 

ps. "Wg doesn't nerf prems" <<< i heard that one before... please tell it to my rotting Type59.

 

If they nerf this now they need to refund all who got it, fed of tanks getting nerfed



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 04 December 2019 - 02:11 AM, said:

I'll have to agree with OP. I just got my *** handed to me on a silver platter by one in an E4... The TS-5 was a oneshot for me, but I bounced 3 or 4 shots off his commander hatch...in a row...and he just chewed me up.

 

So you getting owned is justification for a nerf?



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