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[Schuubi96]

Homer_J, on 11 December 2019 - 11:37 AM, said:

Removed some off topic posts.

I'm glad you keep this thread clean. But how about answering some of the often asked questions here? What's the point of a feedback forum if there's no response whatsoever from the developer's side?

 

Biggest problem is, and everyone who doesn't see that is blind, especially in the last year all the "developing efforts" and changes to the game only benefited one goal and one only: Wargaming's Balance Sheet. Is it our fault that you screwed the pooch with something horrendous like World of Warplanes?

 

Every week a new premium tank, new ways to spend money almost every day. You've realized that people invest real money to convert to credits. So now we have crew books for credits, directives for credits - which you cannot sell if not needed. With what justification other than profit-maximizing on WG's side?

 

Yes, it is "free to play", but most adult people with decent income spend money for their hobby, as do I. Over 600,-€ this year alone I spent and all I get is more and more lurking offers to spend even more... This game used to be fun, now it is primarily connected to my wallet. Even my friends who I convinced to start playing the game, who don't want to invest money (yet, as they are uncertain of the time-to-fun-ratio) are confronted with this daily. You lose new players and potential customers daily because you're scaring them off with all this advertising and lurking and the obvious advantages that paying players have. And those increase more and more;

 

20k credits for sixth sense for one battle is a lot. For a player with a premium account, a couple of premium tanks and mostly already well developed crews, that directive isn't too expensive and also not even needed that often. But especially for new, free to play players, whose commanders often don't have the first skill yet, who would need that directive, is 20k a little much for Tier V, VI or VII without a premium account... My friends are getting more and more frustrated and they ask me why they should invest so much free time for this.

 

The day the update was released, I was totally hyped about directives for credits. I got me coffee (I am on holidays) and sat down to check these changes. I clicked on the directives and all I saw was directives for credits. Half asleep I clicked to sell 130 useless directives, but instead of course I bought them. Stupid mistake, yes. A mistake that is understandable and revertable? I think so. Contacted Support, created a ticket. Absolutely useless effort. All they told me is to go to the forum and express my feelings and opinions. Well, I am doing that but does that change anything?

 

Please, WG, I understand that WoT is your absolute cash cow and it is vital for your company. But especially that's why I beg you to listen more to your customers than to your board / share holders. People are leaving, because the old WoT feeling is long gone.

 

Schuubi.

[TheJ4ckal]

Well here's some genuine feedback from a noob.

Since 1.7 I have noticed things dont refresh and reflect on the main tank screen immediately like they used to.

If I upgrade a component, then confirm, it normally changes to reflect the amount it will then cost to buy and mount. Now I have to go back out to the main screen and then back into Research and the amount shows. The same goes for when you actually buy it.

The same goes for camos not showing until you go to Exterior, even though they were already applied they dont show on the main screen.

I've had it happen with equipment too.

It seems like there is a massive delay in refreshing the screen UI elements.

Also, when a battle has finished, I shut down the Battle Results screen, the tank is still shown as in battle for about 5 minutes.

This all only started happening after the update.

[TheJ4ckal]

Schuubi96, on 11 December 2019 - 04:01 PM, said:

I'm glad you keep this thread clean. But how about answering some of the often asked questions here? What's the point of a feedback forum if there's no response whatsoever from the developer's side?

 

Biggest problem is, and everyone who doesn't see that is blind, especially in the last year all the "developing efforts" and changes to the game only benefited one goal and one only: Wargaming's Balance Sheet. Is it our fault that you screwed the pooch with something horrendous like World of Warplanes?

 

Every week a new premium tank, new ways to spend money almost every day. You've realized that people invest real money to convert to credits. So now we have crew books for credits, directives for credits - which you cannot sell if not needed. With what justification other than profit-maximizing on WG's side?

 

Yes, it is "free to play", but most adult people with decent income spend money for their hobby, as do I. Over 600,-€ this year alone I spent and all I get is more and more lurking offers to spend even more... This game used to be fun, now it is primarily connected to my wallet. Even my friends who I convinced to start playing the game, who don't want to invest money (yet, as they are uncertain of the time-to-fun-ratio) are confronted with this daily. You lose new players and potential customers daily because you're scaring them off with all this advertising and lurking and the obvious advantages that paying players have. And those increase more and more;

 

20k credits for sixth sense for one battle is a lot. For a player with a premium account, a couple of premium tanks and mostly already well developed crews, that directive isn't too expensive and also not even needed that often. But especially for new, free to play players, whose commanders often don't have the first skill yet, who would need that directive, is 20k a little much for Tier V, VI or VII without a premium account... My friends are getting more and more frustrated and they ask me why they should invest so much free time for this.

 

The day the update was released, I was totally hyped about directives for credits. I got me coffee (I am on holidays) and sat down to check these changes. I clicked on the directives and all I saw was directives for credits. Half asleep I clicked to sell 130 useless directives, but instead of course I bought them. Stupid mistake, yes. A mistake that is understandable and revertable? I think so. Contacted Support, created a ticket. Absolutely useless effort. All they told me is to go to the forum and express my feelings and opinions. Well, I am doing that but does that change anything?

 

Please, WG, I understand that WoT is your absolute cash cow and it is vital for your company. But especially that's why I beg you to listen more to your customers than to your board / share holders. People are leaving, because the old WoT feeling is long gone.

 

Schuubi.

But dont you see, as long as there are people that will spend £600!! on in game purchases, they will keep pumping out the premium stuff.

What do you need to spend that much money on to enjoy the game.

Just step back and realise that 1 tank! costs as much as a whole AAA game title on say the Xbox.

Just think how much oyu would play the game if it was a level playing field, same tank, same ammo, same equipment. You wouldn't would you? You play because you have better stuff to help you win. Everyone likes to be  a bit better than the next person, and most people will pay through the nose to be better.

If you love the game, none of the money stuff should matter. If it is more important to spend and win then you should question why you play, or just keep spending and not complain how they take your money.

I'd understand if you were complaining about pay to win, but you are paying to win and you are still not happy?

[Schuubi96]

TheJ4ckal, on 11 December 2019 - 07:52 PM, said:

But dont you see, as long as there are people that will spend £600!! on in game purchases, they will keep pumping out the premium stuff.

What do you need to spend that much money on to enjoy the game.

Just step back and realise that 1 tank! costs as much as a whole AAA game title on say the Xbox.

Just think how much oyu would play the game if it was a level playing field, same tank, same ammo, same equipment. You wouldn't would you? You play because you have better stuff to help you win. Everyone likes to be  a bit better than the next person, and most people will pay through the nose to be better.

If you love the game, none of the money stuff should matter. If it is more important to spend and win then you should question why you play, or just keep spending and not complain how they take your money.

I'd understand if you were complaining about pay to win, but you are paying to win and you are still not happy?

 

Sir, I kindly have to disagree with you strongly.

 

1) I didn't complain about having paid so much money, as I stated, this is my hobby and I can easily afford this. Other people spend much more on their hobby so there's that.

 

2) Your conclusion about me spending money on the game is inaccurate, as I do not pay to be better than others. I actually enjoy collecting tanks, in my first account on the US server I always had to sell beloved tanks to afford the next tier, now that I can afford it (which I can due to a full time job - if I hadn't that job I obviously could spend more time in grinding credits). I do not pay to be better, I simply want to get to higher tier tanks faster. That doesn't make me a bit better when I actually get there, does it? World of Tanks is pay to progress, not pay to win. Because there is nothing in the actual battle that you can have or use exclusive for paying real money. If you don't invest money, you have to invest more time to get to the same level.

 

3) You don't have to tell me what another AAA title costs, I am a gamer since 20 years and yes I own many games. Why would you assume that I would pay 50€ on a single tank? Maybe I spent the money in other ways, like gold, premium time and gifts for friends?

 

4) All I wanted to point out is that the focus from WG-side slipped too far to moneymaking and that this is reason to be concerned about the future of the game. I am playing WoT since 2011 (I know, forum says otherwise, I started on US server) and I always spent sometimes more, sometimes less on it, because that's what I do when I appreciate goods and services. My favorite streamers also receive donations and whatnot every now and then. It is not wrong to pay for ingame stuff and it is not wrong to offer that. All I wanted to point out is that in hindsight of the past (and the future somehow), the moneymaking focus from WG-side is going too far, especially for players who are new and simply can't or won't spend real money on it.

 

Kind regards,

 

Schuubi

 

[edit] also, my original main complain was the lack of response from offical side in these forums... [/]

Edited by Schuubi96, 11 December 2019 - 08:35 PM.

[blindhai]

ChristOfTheAbyss, on 09 December 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

There is, but not on the who's using the anonymizer.

15:06 Added after 1 minute

 

It has been proven, multiple times. Can find a test on reddit. It increased 6x for unicum account compared to tomato account.

 

Also, like it has been said here, still can be focused if you focus those who use the anonymizer or play a reward tank. So this aint perfect, but is the right direction.

 

You care to show me this "proof"? I mean if they only monitored like 1000 matches it says nothing. You need a significant number of matches to some kind of an idea which "truth" is really true. I for one have seen multiple streams where the Unicum said "Look like i get focused here" and you really couldnt say this. There were other factors involved.

 

 

FrantisekBascovansky, on 09 December 2019 - 09:42 PM, said:

After the anonymizer launch, I wonder whether majority of all these people (who used to believe they are xvm focused) would realize they were focused because of their poor play rather than xvm ratings.

 

"Believe" is the right word, i think. Til now i have never seen proof or any kind of statistics. Only "truths" which the people liked to believe.

[Snaques]

My take on 1.7 is that it did exactly what was expected. The anonymizer removed the last bit of social aspect in the game and that's the patch.

 

I'm now rolling with anonymizer ON, chat OFF and "enjoy" my PvE experience. Apparently that is how an MMO works in 2019.

[DementedTyrant]

I like 1.7. Anonymizer is good, but it would have been even better with something that totally removes mods like XVM with in-game stats about other players. I'm an average player and have it enabled. I encourage everyone to enable it to make the assumption fail, that players with anonymizer are unicums or streamers. But if some arty mistakes me for a unicum it's all good because then the real unicum on the team can do some good.

 

It is a bit interesting to see that many people miss in-game updates but are also missing wot from the old days (which I haven't experienced). Maybe that's not always the same persons though. Still it seems to be hard to do everything right from WG's perspective.

 

A user experience thing that sometimes annoys me a bit is that so many UI elements overlap in the bottom right corner after a game. There, info boxes and menus fight for the same couple of pixels, with information about last battles, session stats and so on.

 

 

 

 

[Snaques]

DementedTyrant, on 14 December 2019 - 08:42 AM, said:

I like 1.7. Anonymizer is good, but it would have been even better with something that totally removes mods like XVM with in-game stats about other players. I'm an average player and have it enabled. I encourage everyone to enable it to make the assumption fail, that players with anonymizer are unicums or streamers. But if some arty mistakes me for a unicum it's all good because then the real unicum on the team can do some good.

 

It is a bit interesting to see that many people miss in-game updates but are also missing wot from the old days (which I haven't experienced). Maybe that's not always the same persons though. Still it seems to be hard to do everything right from WG's perspective.

 

A user experience thing that sometimes annoys me a bit is that so many UI elements overlap in the bottom right corner after a game. There, info boxes and menus fight for the same couple of pixels, with information about last battles, session stats and so on.

"The problem" is that you have so many perspectives and their motives are usually contradicting. You have good vs bad player, veteran vs new, old vs young, HT vs LT, competitive vs leisure, arty players vs rest of the world, etc. There are very few improvements that are good for everyone.

 

Another thing is that oh so often people complaining don't really understand what are the implications of their demands. Discussions on e.g. RNG, gold ammo and preferential MM tanks have so much misinformation and faulty argumentation that it is really hard to come out with a clear conclusion on what is the best corrective action.

 

People are also very greedy so if they see any chance of losing out personally, they will complain about it.

[ludwig_von_kampf]

*edited*

 

Edited by Immensive, 23 December 2019 - 05:27 AM.
Edited for language

[Schuubi96]

ludwig_von_kampf, on 14 December 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

*edited*

 

 

I will never understand how it is possible to ignore hundreds of threads and thousands of posts that are in one language to then post in some totally different language.

 

Here, mon ami, is your way to the french forum:

 

http://forum.worldof...orum/151-forum/

[mawi29]

I have asked it before, but I'm gonna ask again. It would be very useful if clans have an option to display their TS address in the team forming window. Now everytime a legionaire is invited, someone needs to type the address. Would be nice if the TS address is always there in the window, so legionaires can see and go there. 

[United_Stealth]

I got the Obj 703 and I would like to see an option which indicates which gun is the primary gun and if the secondary gun is gonna shoot into a wall or not. 

You can find it out by looking at the reticle, but having a dedicated info 'option' about it would be nice. 

[Tomerell]

Just got back from very loooooong break of playing WOT.

I noticed that now you have the possibility to block selected maps (1 or 2 if using prem), and that is very good option... only if it just would work.

I have blocked e.g. Himmelsdorf (hate that map) while playing random standard game in low tiers, and I have been on Himmelsdorf almost every third game.

 

Is there some secret  setup I have to make before map blocking option works???

[DementedTyrant]

Tomerell, on 19 December 2019 - 11:48 PM, said:

Just got back from very loooooong break of playing WOT.

I noticed that now you have the possibility to block selected maps (1 or 2 if using prem), and that is very good option... only if it just would work.

I have blocked e.g. Himmelsdorf (hate that map) while playing random standard game in low tiers, and I have been on Himmelsdorf almost every third game.

 

Is there some secret  setup I have to make before map blocking option works???

If I remember correctly, it only blocks standard battles. So disable encounters.

[Andersch]

When you stand Before RNG esus, your anonymizer will be taken away. 

But its not just for "crying stream snipers" i think.

Any updates should bring in new maps and more competitive play, like for instance: a potential to actually hit where you shoot, and not 5 meters to the side

 

[u2svp]

My dear WG/WoT admins,

r u insane.

u fucked up this game. [edited]on wheels have to much advance. Its imposible to play this game anymore.

90 km/h?!?! WTF. WHo can hit them?

WoT is ruined game, and you are responsible for that.

THX so much.

I will consider if I will play this gamein the future.

[Pinnaculum]

The game need a couple changes:

 

1. KEEP annonymiser for ever as an option for players.

2. bring back chat with enemy.

3. remove all punishment for language. (chat can still be turned off for those offended)

4. add 3 4 MEDIUM premium tanks.

5. add 20% to all credits earned.

[ThePanH]

I just want to add that FV201 (A45) NEED a buff cause its unplayable at the moment. Every tank can penetrate FV201 both turret and hull, 150 alpha damage is ridiculous for tier VII HT, 180/185 penetration would be grat but will not be op, 35km/h would be good as well. Tell me guys what do you think cause this buff might push some players to buy this maachine. Right now its not competitive at any tier.
Btw sorry for poor english.

[Saimanasi]

WTF is whit this F,,........in update ? 
2 hours only loseee .............. 
Play whit 9 or 10 tier only vs 10 tier
Play whit 7 stoc tier .............vs ......8 and 9 (heavy and progetto) 
SOOOOOOOO TELLL ME ..........HOW TO PLAY...................... TELL MEEE SMART G..............YS

[TheSwordoftheMorning]

What about the gold amo fix!? i mean what is the use of armour if everybody spams gold at you?