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murn123 #41 Posted 08 December 2019 - 05:17 AM

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I am sorry but these tanks are way too modern, migth as well put abrams in the game.  

T-64BM / Object 476

 The vehicle was created on the basis of the T-64A tank in order to elaborate the installation of the 6TD engine and its support systems. Later on, 5 vehicles were built on the basis of the T-64B tank under the designation of the T-64BM. The vehicles were subjected to army trials. The developments in the area of turret and fighting compartment of the Obiekt 476 were later introduced into the T-80U and T-80UD design, while the developments in the area of power pack - into T-80UD design.

 and that is your tier 9 LOL. Just no.

 



Crashzi #42 Posted 08 December 2019 - 02:39 PM

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The game has enough tanks, especially Russian tanks.

Tomotorqemada #43 Posted 09 December 2019 - 09:45 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 07 December 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

 

And as most others have pointed out, most of us aren't happy to see more soviet tanks.

 

Personally, I think that some of them are going to have some major balancing issue.

 

The former pleases me by being not constructive. Ive posted a wikipage with tanks of different countries. Sure not a full list bit a good reference

 

The latter is exactly what im askin about  - could u be more specific?



Nishi_Kinuyo #44 Posted 09 December 2019 - 09:52 PM

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500mm effective armour and you don't see the problem?

Or the tier 8 with the incredibly small turret.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 09 December 2019 - 09:52 PM.


Tomotorqemada #45 Posted 09 December 2019 - 09:55 PM

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View Postmurn123, on 08 December 2019 - 05:17 AM, said:

I am sorry but these tanks are way too modern, migth as well put abrams in the game.  

 

 

Thats a nice historical reference that has little to no relevance for this arcade game. Besides, t64 isbeginning of 60s, just as t100lt (totally raped in stats as many other tanks), so no biggy. 

If a feasible physical model was created someday later than most of the others, it doesnt make the model worse - it s an object with geometry, which makes the difference and allows for new (but alrdy present ingame) features, and stats would be calibrated to tier and unrealistic just as they are for most tanks



Nishi_Kinuyo #46 Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:17 AM

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 09 December 2019 - 09:55 PM, said:

Thats a nice historical reference that has little to no relevance for this arcade game. Besides, t64 isbeginning of 60s, just as t100lt (totally raped in stats as many other tanks), so no biggy. 

If a feasible physical model was created someday later than most of the others, it doesnt make the model worse - it s an object with geometry, which makes the difference and allows for new (but alrdy present ingame) features, and stats would be calibrated to tier and unrealistic just as they are for most tanks

Introduction year isn't the only criteria for whether a tank can get implemented or not.

Technology used is another, and Wargaming doesn't want composite armour, or smoothbores.

The T-64 uses both of those technologies and is such a no-no.



Tomotorqemada #47 Posted 15 December 2019 - 02:46 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 10 December 2019 - 12:17 AM, said:

Introduction year isn't the only criteria for whether a tank can get implemented or not.

Technology used is another, and Wargaming doesn't want composite armour, or smoothbores.

The T-64 uses both of those technologies and is such a no-no.

Well, whats up aboit t100lt. Composite armor did not prevent it from getting into the game. Here s the reading:

http://alternathistory.com/proekt-legkogo-tanka-vnii-100-sssr/

 

Btw whats wrong with smoothies, is there some TOTALLYDIFFERENT ballisticsimvolved so that WG is afraid of it? What do u know about this prejudice? Pls ahare



Tomotorqemada #48 Posted 15 December 2019 - 11:32 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 09 December 2019 - 09:52 PM, said:

500mm effective armour and you don't see the problem?

Or the tier 8 with the incredibly small turret.

Well it has no armour on sides. That was kimda the strongpoint of the tank, which can be seen in description links. I rather find utterly stupid such weakspots as 257 hole in the head - the tank that is supposed to play from its 350mm turret - gets overmatched in that turret, totally needlessly - it has no gun depression, gets penned in any glacis, and has a horrible gun. Even 2marking it was a pain 4 me, tho well im a bad tanker.



suvicze #49 Posted 16 December 2019 - 01:06 AM

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Personally I also dont get the problem with introducing smoothbores. There would be no difference in the gameplay anyway... 

I mean lets summ it up..

Smoothbores:

  • less accurate (but mostly eliminated by using fin stabilized ammunition) - because of how accuracy ingame work there would be no difference
  • wear less - no such mechanic in the game
  • better suited for various types of ammunition like HEAT, APFSDS etc, deoest matter when half the rifled guns in the game already shooting heat no problem

Rifled:

  • more accurate - again doesnt matter
  • wear more - doesnt matter
  • can fire HESH rounds - only reason brits are still using them

All in all unless WG decides to change how some mechanics work to make them more RL accurate there would be absolutely no difference between smooth and rifled in the game. I mean for example sheridan should be firing missiles from its 152mm gun but it doesnt so...

Also there is so many tanks which are already so gimped compared to their RL performance that WG could introduce T14 armata or Merkava MKIV and they would still end up with 300-350mm frontal armor instead of 1000+ and they definitely wouldnt be laser accurate even on the move compared to current tanks...

 



AeyT #50 Posted 16 December 2019 - 09:51 AM

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Probably the last thing this game needs right now is more soviet tech tree lines.

Give the other nations some love.



HerrWizo #51 Posted 16 December 2019 - 10:44 AM

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There are several nations with a single line, multiple nations which cry for something new or a complete rebalance... Yeah, let's introduce more Soviet tanks instead. Just great...




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