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SilentExile #1 Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:43 PM

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I am an average player, if it pleases you I am a bad player, but something is wrong with Patton... I get way more losses that a player is supposed to have. Everyday its like 10 losses against 2 wins or something like that recently. 

 

Believe me only experiencing the games, you would have sense that something is so wrong that only conspiracy theories explain this. I'm starting to consider them after 35000 games played.

 

I have currently a 51,65% general win ratio and Patton has an amazing 34% win ratio (87 battles, average damage 1975).

My other tier X meds (witch I played recently to measure my updated skill) are: Obj. 430U (170 battles, 59%, 2083dmg), Obj. 140 (73 battles, 53%, 1655dmg), Leopard 1 (37 battles, 62%, 2016dmg).


Edited by SilentExile, 11 December 2019 - 06:44 PM.


UrQuan #2 Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:46 PM

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My advice would be to upload some replays with the Patton. Perhaps you are making mistakes playing the patton? Mistakes that aren't mistakes for other meds.

 

The replays will help people to give you more focussed advice regarding the Patton. PS: upload average games, games where you think you felt you could have done more but don't know how.



Stevies_Team #3 Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:51 PM

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Some tanks get really bad Matchmaking(+ maps)

 

Some tanks get random Matchmaking(+ maps)

 

Some tanks get amazingly good Matchmaking(+ maps)

 

You notice this after a while

 

To minimise my T8 exposure to T10 battles I have stopped playing T8 lights for example

 

Patterns start to emerge after playing WoT for a while


Edited by Stevies_Team, 11 December 2019 - 06:55 PM.


SilentExile #4 Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:53 PM

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I may be doing lots of mistakes playing Patton, but it shouldn't have that low win ratio (34%). I mean I am 1 of 15 players...

The_Naa #5 Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:54 PM

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i dont know what Patton he is talking about but i sure hope it is the 59-Patton :rolleyes:

Thats my speciality.



Dava_117 #6 Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:57 PM

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View PostSilentExile, on 11 December 2019 - 06:53 PM, said:

I may be doing lots of mistakes playing Patton, but it shouldn't have that low win ratio (34%). I mean I am 1 of 15 players...

 

How many games do you have in Patton?



TheJumpMaster #7 Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:59 PM

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It may be a case that the patton does not "suit" you. I have some tanks that fit my play style, like a glove, and there are other tanks that well....

Orkbert #8 Posted 11 December 2019 - 07:00 PM

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View PostSilentExile, on 11 December 2019 - 06:43 PM, said:

 and Patton has an amazing 34% win ratio (87 battles, average damage 1975).

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I highlighted the important part. Below 200~300 battle the win rate isn't a meaningful statistic and even then it can still change.



Cradle_2_The_Grave #9 Posted 11 December 2019 - 07:06 PM

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You are absolutely right to feel this way. I remember I also created a thread about why I am getting bad teams when I play obj 140. Since your tank is different, it is interesting. I don't have a high winrate with other meds but at least they aren't below 50% like obj 140 48%. When I play with other meds, I am very relaxed, confident and have positive thoughts and tell myself I am winning. No pressure at all whether lose or win but I win more so far. Now when I play obj 140, oh man it's always a nightmare, I honestly think it's an awesome and a fun tank to play, but somehow I just can't win with it, it feels like 30% of total kills and damage depends on me, including map control and helping team with other things such as sharing HP and distracting the enemy and even spotting, only then it becomes a victory (of course not always). I just don't understand why, because with other meds I do less working and win more. So maybe it's just a luck after all? With obj 140  most of the time battles start with us losing 2-3 tanks real fast, one way or another something happens and turns everything upside down, it's like "No, you will lose"

Edited by Cradle_2_The_Grave, 11 December 2019 - 07:09 PM.


arthurwellsley #10 Posted 11 December 2019 - 07:08 PM

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View PostSilentExile, on 11 December 2019 - 05:43 PM, said:

 

I have currently a 51,65% general win ratio = the baseline comparison

 

and Patton has an amazing 34% win ratio (87 battles, average damage 1975). + anything less than 100 games is statistically unreliable. Please play another 13 games. You should be aiming for 2k damage in tier X tanks.

 

My other tier X meds (which I played recently to measure my updated skill) are: Obj. 430U (170 battles, 59%, 2083dmg),= statistically relevant because more than 100 games played. The 430U in it's present state is somewhat overbuffed and the easiest tech tree medium in the game. At wotnews it has a higher than average win rate. So no real surprise you perform above your account win rate in it.

 

Obj. 140 (73 battles, 53%, 1655dmg), = too few games to be statistically relevant. But the 140 is generally seen as the best of the tech tree mediums albeit harder to do well in than the 430U.

 

Leopard 1 (37 battles, 62%, 2016dmg). =too few games to be statistically relevant. But the Leopard 1 has been very recently buffed.

 



Gruff_ #11 Posted 11 December 2019 - 07:50 PM

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I'm struggling with turning some win rates round too, so some may feel a bit cursed.

 

At tier 6 I play well in P43 Italian med  (43% wr 682 dmg 1203 wn8) hmm maybe those figures show onaverage its not the case! & JgPz IV German TD (48% wr, 801dmg, 1726wn8), and at tier 8 Caernarvon 45%wr 1169 dmg 1164wn8, & Carn AX 38.71% wr 797dmg 622wn8.

 

I'm overall not being as effective as I could be, but combined with team mates who also are struggling the effect snowballs.  The medium is too slow to be flexible enough though I get good games from it, and I'm obviously lacking in playing the Carn AX well.  I haven't played the TD for 6mths + as i got fed up loosing with it, but I know I'm not patient enough to play with more snipey TD's

 

Sometimes it takes a while for a tank to click with you.

 

I have one like that the T20  USA med at tier 7 my last 60 days in it I have 55 battles 62% wr 938dmg and 1617 wn8, but the overall account stats for it at 516 battles are 47.5%wr 747dmg  988wn8, it's going to take a long time to correct my previous furious grind to the pershing.


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SilentExile #12 Posted 11 December 2019 - 07:59 PM

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View PostCradle_2_The_Grave, on 11 December 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:

You are absolutely right to feel this way. I remember I also created a thread about why I am getting bad teams when I play obj 140. Since your tank is different, it is interesting. I don't have a high winrate with other meds but at least they aren't below 50% like obj 140 48%. When I play with other meds, I am very relaxed, confident and have positive thoughts and tell myself I am winning. No pressure at all whether lose or win but I win more so far. Now when I play obj 140, oh man it's always a nightmare, I honestly think it's an awesome and a fun tank to play, but somehow I just can't win with it, it feels like 30% of total kills and damage depends on me, including map control and helping team with other things such as sharing HP and distracting the enemy and even spotting, only then it becomes a victory (of course not always). I just don't understand why, because with other meds I do less working and win more. So maybe it's just a luck after all? With obj 140  most of the time battles start with us losing 2-3 tanks real fast, one way or another something happens and turns everything upside down, it's like "No, you will lose"


Yes, its something like that. Maybe with more games it will get better, but contrary to other meds the weight of the match in Patton 48 seems to be on me. Recently, I had a 6300dmg game and a 5600dmg one, but it was not enough. This does not happen in other meds, even a 4000dmg game in another med means a serious turn of the tide, but not in Patton48...



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Aaah the oh so cursed dmg numbers...now let me tell you the  thing that noone mentiones. first of all numbers are not relevant as the explanation behind them, as wot is a very complex game. so basically any action you make influences the game especially when you are top tier , t10 in your case. what i mean by that is that you gave the example of 5-6k games where you lost the game.. yes because it matters when you did that damage, is it during the critical part of the game where you kill 1,2 tanks alone and open up a flank completely to bring you the win, or is it just during the mop-up phase where the game is already lost for you and you just prolongue the inevitable loss ( these are just some examples so you understand what im trying to say) . basically if  you only want to talk about dmg stat, it is important when and to which tank you do damage in a battle ( this you can determine for yourself by positioning, target prioritisation, when to track for example and when to dmg etc etc and it comes in time with experience). like most of the times it is not the player with the highest dmg that won or lost a game for the team ( im not talking about extremes here like 8-10 k + games where you can indeed carry or also still loose) . im talking about average normal games here. 

And as a closing note from me ( and yes,im  sorry i made the post so long) please don't forget this is a team game, you are 15 vs 15 . try to communicate with your te more, you would be amazed how responsive people are sometimes



fwhaatpiraat #14 Posted 11 December 2019 - 09:44 PM

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M48 Patton also isn't my favorite. I like M46 more. Or Leopard at tier X.

RaxipIx #15 Posted 11 December 2019 - 09:47 PM

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View PostSilentExile, on 11 December 2019 - 06:43 PM, said:

I am an average player, if it pleases you I am a bad player, but something is wrong with Patton... I get way more losses that a player is supposed to have. Everyday its like 10 losses against 2 wins or something like that recently. 

 

Believe me only experiencing the games, you would have sense that something is so wrong that only conspiracy theories explain this. I'm starting to consider them after 35000 games played.

 

I have currently a 51,65% general win ratio and Patton has an amazing 34% win ratio (87 battles, average damage 1975).

My other tier X meds (witch I played recently to measure my updated skill) are: Obj. 430U (170 battles, 59%, 2083dmg), Obj. 140 (73 battles, 53%, 1655dmg), Leopard 1 (37 battles, 62%, 2016dmg).

If it makes you feel any better, i have 44% in the jpz 4,  and 3 gun marks on it:)) Some tanks just don't win:)



Nishi_Kinuyo #16 Posted 11 December 2019 - 09:49 PM

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Hm... yes, so when did you start playing the Patton?

Was that very recently and did it cover the Renegade marathon?

Because if so; blame it on the marathon.



NUKLEAR_SLUG #17 Posted 11 December 2019 - 09:52 PM

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View PostSilentExile, on 11 December 2019 - 06:43 PM, said:

I have currently a 51,65% general win ratio and Patton has an amazing 34% win ratio (87 battles, average damage 1975).

My other tier X meds (witch I played recently to measure my updated skill) are: Obj. 430U (170 battles, 59%, 2083dmg), Obj. 140 (73 battles, 53%, 1655dmg), Leopard 1 (37 battles, 62%, 2016dmg).

 

Given your 51.65% general WR do you think it is relevant that you haven't felt a similar need to start a thread to discuss why your Obj 140/430U and Leopard are also being rigged positively in your favour? 



SilentExile #18 Posted 12 December 2019 - 03:28 AM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 11 December 2019 - 09:52 PM, said:

 

Given your 51.65% general WR do you think it is relevant that you haven't felt a similar need to start a thread to discuss why your Obj 140/430U and Leopard are also being rigged positively in your favour? 


Someone wrote that Leopard hás too few games and they are right (37 games).

Obj. 430U - 59-51=8

Obj. 140 - 53-51=2

M48 Patton - 34-51=-17



antwerp_fighter #19 Posted 12 December 2019 - 03:55 AM

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Well, I got 7% win rate in this tank before it got "improved"

 

craphappens...



malachi6 #20 Posted 12 December 2019 - 05:45 AM

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How many losses are you supposed to have and how do you know this?  It sounds like an argument from incredulity to me.

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