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Heavy spall liners. worth or not?


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MyArmorIsGolden #1 Posted 13 December 2019 - 11:37 AM

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Impressions? Do they decrease arty damage noticeably? 

Do they worthy on heavies (%30 protection) and superheavies(%50 protection)?

 

Also obj705 should considered as super heavy. just like 705a.


Edited by MyArmorIsGolden, 13 December 2019 - 11:39 AM.


xx984 #2 Posted 13 December 2019 - 11:40 AM

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Other equipment is 10xs more useful, so while they may help it’s not worth the sacrifices of any of the essential equipment for higher tier heavies. 
 

low tiers I can’t comment on as I don’t play much of it



AeyT #3 Posted 13 December 2019 - 11:54 AM

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The only tank i've put a super heavy spall liner on is my doom turtle to make the constant arty barrages it receives a little less painfull.

Probably not worth it on most heavies or tanks in general.



Balc0ra #4 Posted 13 December 2019 - 12:06 PM

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Unless you feel you lose 2-3 crew members to each arty hit. Not really. The only one I have it on is the KV-220. As he lost several crews with each frontal arty and derp hits. Less so now.

MeetriX #5 Posted 13 December 2019 - 12:07 PM

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If fully absorb HE would count as a blocked dmg, then it could be worthy.

No SHSL is more of a meme.

 

I have it in T95 and TOG.


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Gardar7 #6 Posted 13 December 2019 - 12:18 PM

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I have it on KV-5, it is useful for ramming. I also put one on Churchill VII, but it is a terrible tank anyway, so it doesn't matter. The third tank with spall liner at my garage is O-Ni. I think it helps, but maybe I will change it.

tajj7 #7 Posted 13 December 2019 - 12:30 PM

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No not really, not usually over the benefits the other equipment pieces give. 

 

The odd tank like Maus or T95 you could make an argument for it, but generally if you can fit 3 from V-stab, rammer, vents and optics, you should go for those. 



Spurtung #8 Posted 13 December 2019 - 12:35 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 13 December 2019 - 11:30 AM, said:

The odd tank like Maus or T95 you could make an argument for it, but generally if you can fit 3 from V-stab, rammer, vents and optics, you should go for those. 

 

Maus doesn't really need vstab, mine rolls with rammer, vents and spall liner.



DuncaN_101 #9 Posted 13 December 2019 - 12:44 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 13 December 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

 

Maus doesn't really need vstab, mine rolls with rammer, vents and spall liner.

Same... Just as my T95 



BR33K1_PAWAH #10 Posted 13 December 2019 - 01:47 PM

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Gonna put one of those on my bobject: Super-h SL/Rammer/Aim-thingy

SuperOlsson #11 Posted 13 December 2019 - 02:22 PM

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When it comes to reducing arty damage they are completely useless. While they might lower low damage from ~100 down to ~50, they do pretty much nothing against the big damages, as you'll take ~400 instead of 440.

Bulldog_Drummond #12 Posted 13 December 2019 - 02:29 PM

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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 13 December 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

Impressions? Do they decrease arty damage noticeably? 

Do they worthy on heavies (%30 protection) and superheavies(%50 protection)?

 

Also obj705 should considered as super heavy. just like 705a.

 

Spalls are never popular with good players as you can see from the responses here but as a bad player I find them often rather effective where you can mount a super-heavy and in some cases a heavy on a slow tank with good all-round armour.

People can quote numbers about how they don't work but my experience has been that they do offer good protection against arty, derps and generally keep the crew safe



1ucky #13 Posted 13 December 2019 - 02:47 PM

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They might not decrease it noticeably (as you might have noticed from the previous posts), but they do decrease it. On occasion they also save a crew member, and they obviously reduce stun time as well. So I'd say if you wanna do something against those pesky arty shots that are bothering you all the time, go for it.

 

Guess maybe in some future update WG could try underscore it's usefulness with a respective indicator in battle. For example, it could say something like: "Spall liner saving throw (30%) successful - crew member (Loader) saved!", or "HE damage reduced by 104 HP (Heavy Spall Liner +30% protection bonus)", or "Stun time reduced by 5.2 seconds (Spall Liner)", etc. Then people would notice it more and I think at some point it might become more popular.

 

TL;DR

Spall liners do work and they are situationally very useful, but that often goes unnoticed nowadays. If they wouldn't take up an equipment slot, many more people would install them. It's just that people enjoy optimizing reload time / gun handling / view range so much more that it leaves no room for spall liners, usually.



Zylon0 #14 Posted 13 December 2019 - 03:08 PM

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Saved my life in a tier 9 T95 that allowed me to have the highest xp in a tier 10 game and thus the Christmas mission reward.

Because a Jaghttiger E100 fired HE at me from the front.

 

I agree if you get hit with a direct hit on the roof from arty it wont help that much.

But HE hitting your strong frontal armor a super heavy spall liner works nicely.

 

The 50% less crew injuries is awesome too.



Dava_117 #15 Posted 13 December 2019 - 03:34 PM

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If your tank has some thick plates (150mm and more) spall lomer may actually help a bit against derpgun. It's less reliable against arty, that will frequently splash engine decks and roof, but may allows for the odd 0 damage against low alpha HE, like the french ones.

SovietBias #16 Posted 13 December 2019 - 07:15 PM

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I believe the main problem of spall liners is how HE damage is calculated: when you are hit by HE, the game finds the least armored part within a certain distance, and then takes that nominal value to apply the % bonus from spall liner, that will then be subtracted from the average damage of the HE shell that did not pen.

 

Most tanks are riddled with spots with soft armor, particularly the roofs and engine decks, which artillery also love to hit thus the damage reduction is often minimal as you apply the bonus over a low nominal armor amount.

 

In addition, the bonus scales depending on the type of spall liner, the heaviest ones being available only to heaviest vehicles. Lighter vehicles, beside being low armored, also get less % reduction, making every spall liner other than super heavy one useless.

 

They are more effective preventing crew injury, coupled with large med kit.

 

 

 



Rainbowkiss83 #17 Posted 13 December 2019 - 07:24 PM

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Works well on kv-5, prolly on other superheavies otherwise get somethin else

Leroy_Jenkinss #18 Posted 13 December 2019 - 08:00 PM

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Im rocking super heavy spall liner on my E75.
Its quite usefull for me bcs my sidescraping technique usally left oponents with nothing but to HE bob me to death.

Palora #19 Posted 28 December 2019 - 04:41 PM

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It is nearly entirely useless. 
The tanks that can use the super heavy one would be gold spammed to death anyway. 
It does nothing against arty. 
A very expensive noob trap. 
Plenty of better things could be placed in that spot that would actually help A LOT more.

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Edited by Palora, 28 December 2019 - 04:43 PM.


LethalWalou #20 Posted 28 December 2019 - 05:27 PM

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View PostPalora, on 28 December 2019 - 03:41 PM, said:

It is nearly entirely useless. 
The tanks that can use the super heavy one would be gold spammed to death anyway. 
It does nothing against arty. 
A very expensive noob trap. 
Plenty of better things could be placed in that spot that would actually help A LOT more.

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So a shot of T92 doing 29 damage means it ''does nothing against arty''... You're of course only focusing on the damage the GW did and ignoring the T92.






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