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Obj. 430U .. "U" for "unfair"

balancing Obj. 430U

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RalfHildebrandt78 #1 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:06 AM

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Hello!

 

The frontal Armor of the hull of the Obj. 430U is almost not penetrable with top-tier guns with high penetration values. This gives this tank the ability to fully act as a heavy tank, despite being a medium and therefore having the bonuses for camo rating, agility, maneauverability and most important of all: DPM. So this fully outclasses every single heavy tank and renders it useless. So in fact this is truely a tier 11 or even tier 12 vehicle. On top of that players sitting in these Obj. 430U tanks fire premium ammo with a super-high probability rendering all armor of every heavy tank useless. In summary Obj. 430U simply destroys the game.

 

The only reason for not massively (!) reducing the strengths of this tank is the greed of Wargaming to motivate players to fire premium ammo (players sitting in Obj. 430U as well as players trying to battle Obj. 430U as enemy) to draw the profitability of all players into negative region to finally sell packages for boosting silver money (premium time, premium tanks or even silver boxes).

 

So players: stand up and boycott this! No premium ammo! No more money to the World of Tanks developer studios until they do a meaningful balacing.

 

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(8 years of WoT, spend a lot of money into that game ... but no more money since more than a year.)



BR33K1_PAWAH #2 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:08 AM

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Revolution will be televised.

BQBD #3 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:13 AM

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I would suggest that, if you don't already own this tank, to grind it out and play it.

 

Then you will see how impenetrable the frontal armor is.

 

I do agree that it has way to much armor for a medium tank, but it is not impenetrable and you can deal with it, especially if you have tanks with 300+ HEAT penetration.



PauI #4 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:17 AM

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View PostBQBD, on 19 December 2019 - 09:13 AM, said:

I would suggest that, if you don't already own this tank, to grind it out and play it.

 

Then you will see how impenetrable the frontal armor is.

 

I do agree that it has way to much armor for a medium tank, but it is not impenetrable and you can deal with it, especially if you have tanks with 300+ HEAT penetration.


aaaa so with only 300+ heat u can penetrate it? wow that is really trash armor, I bet the guy u ware advising to research it will not do it anymore if with only 300+ heat gets penetrated

 

tank is broken, the ultimate medium W key yolo machine, but there are so many in the game mostly ruski that they will not do anything about them anymore

 

 


Edited by PauI, 19 December 2019 - 10:24 AM.


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View PostBQBD, on 19 December 2019 - 10:13 AM, said:

I would suggest that, if you don't already own this tank, to grind it out and play it.

 

Then you will see how impenetrable the frontal armor is.

 

I do agree that it has way to much armor for a medium tank, but it is not impenetrable and you can deal with it, especially if you have tanks with 300+ HEAT penetration.


Yeah that's what I did. Guess what, I aced it in the first and only battle I ever played with it, albeit not on this account. Seemed really balanced to me.



HerrWizo #6 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:39 AM

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Bought it and played it a few months ago for a few games. Not impressed at all. You will eat so much gold that even pharaohs could use you as a viable mining source, and you get it much more than other mediums - all of which is understandable. So all that "awesome" armor is instantly rendered useless within seconds. Overall, I did not have fun in it. Collects dust in the garage ATM.

 

I cannot explain it any other way. The best advice I can give is - buy it and see for yourself.



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 19 December 2019 - 10:33 AM, said:


Yeah that's what I did. Guess what, I aced it in the first and only battle I ever played with it, albeit not on this account. Seemed really balanced to me.

 

That is awesome for you. And this tank is "broken" in the hands of an exceptional player like you, but so is Chieftan or any other meta tank.

 

I barely have over 48% winrate in obj430U, where as Obj140, Udes, BC all have over 50% winrate. So I guess my Obj430U is really broken as everyone and their grandmother can pen it.

 

Which just proves that it is not impenetrable and it is not a yolo W machine where you just drive forwards and win. And that was my point.

 

And again, I agree it has way to much armor for a medium, but it is not invincible and impenetrable. Owning it and playing doesn't guarantee an instant win.


Edited by BQBD, 19 December 2019 - 10:45 AM.


Thornvalley #8 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:46 AM

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There is no other TX med that can just "w" low tier tanks into the ground. Against equal tiers, it doesn't stand out that much.

Stevies_Team #9 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:46 AM

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Got it and sold it twice so far, crew are in barracks, the  gun is meh

 

140 was waaay more fun



HerrWizo #10 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:48 AM

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Lower plate is horribly weak, upper plate can reliably be penned with gold round at this tier, and its hardest part, the turret, cannot effectively be used with only 5 degrees gun depression, not to even mention slow shells and bad accuracy. And even when you expose only the turret, high calibre HE rounds will say hello. Yeah, 140 is way more fun.

kaneloon #11 Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:59 AM

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It's a good tank yes.

But as focused in randoms as all the Clan War tanks.

 

And as such : removing or nerfing it will just give the older clans full of 907 / chieftains too much an advantage.



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 19 December 2019 - 09:33 AM, said:


Yeah that's what I did. Guess what, I aced it in the first and only battle I ever played with it, albeit not on this account. Seemed really balanced to me.

 

Ya but in all fairness an Ace tanker doesn't set the tone of how a tank typically performs hence why it's down on paper as a result better than 99% of all others. Now, if what you achieved during that battle translated into a 2nd class, THEN we got some OP alerts ringing. 

 

On topic, the 430U, ya, a very strong tank and I certainly would not justify game breaking tanks in this game BUT... at tier10 there are just so forking many op or broken mission tanks or reward tanks or clan tanks circulating and in most every battle now that the 430U doesn't even seem anything special anymore and just another armored tank. You guys could list off about half a dozen or more tier10 tanks that are massively armored with big firepower or almost invincible hull down and with laughably good laser guns for their class. Amazingly it makes a 430U a "normal" T10 these days and the weaker older tanks heavily obsolete. So for meds it's a case of you play the newer ones from the 430U onwards, like the new UDES and the Progetto while for heavies, again, you play the newer tanks ones from SuperC onward(even the SuperC is getting power crept how mad is that?) and for all the other tanks that came before that, most are obsolete. TD's there's still some viable big hitters. Light tanks? Maybe the EBR but higher tier meds do the light tank job almost as good but have more firepower and hp, hell, even higher tier heavy tanks to the light tank job these days lol. 



Alukat123 #13 Posted 19 December 2019 - 11:21 AM

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yeah, mediums have way too good armor these days. 

murn123 #14 Posted 19 December 2019 - 11:37 AM

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The problem is not just the frontal armor, which should be reduced by 20mm. The biggest problem about object 430U are its commander hatches not being weakspots. On all the tanks in the game those things are always way weaker than the turret front, but in the case of object 430U this is not the case. The seconds biggest thing that makes this tank is its gun handling. Having soft stats with 0.12 for moving and tank traverse and only 0.1 for gun traverse with only 2.21 aiming time makes this tank a 440 dmg dealing  shooting on the move with impenetratable turret, hull and side armor of super conquere and speed and cammo of medium tank. When wargaming proposed the nerf of dpm people did not like it, because that is more like the third reason of why this tank is good. Unfortunatelly wargaming took that as this tank does not need a nerf so there will be no 430U nerf for at least another year or two. The good thing is that it is atleast a tech tree tank with very easy grind, so you can always get it yourself, like i am planning to do. This should be very easy now with 60 national USSR blueprints.

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View PostPauI, on 19 December 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:


aaaa so with only 300+ heat u can penetrate it? wow that is really trash armor, I bet the guy u ware advising to research it will not do it anymore if with only 300+ heat gets penetrated

 

tank is broken, the ultimate medium W key yolo machine, but there are so many in the game mostly ruski that they will not do anything about them anymore

 

 

 

Well... 320 HEAT if you don't want to aim gives you a fair chance. At a good angle, even the long 88 has a good chance to pen the lower plate. But most know to hide it. So then you're left with the 260 to 300 effective upper plate armor and the small cupola areas that are not easy to hit at medium range. And yets it's a tad too much for a med. But still, he is not 100% incorrect. It's strong, but it's not bouncing 100% of the shots. It's just extremely forgiving... even for a Russian tank. And sure that's not how meds should be.

 

But we all know the story of the last time they wanted to nerf it and it got pulled, even tho it was not much of a nerf. So don't expect to see any action vs this until the gold ammo problem gets sorted.



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Its a strong tank, I should play it more, but hate tier 10.



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Easiest to play and best all round tier 10 tank IMO. 

 

Even the T95/FV4201, which is an amazing tank, can't do some things the 430U can do. 

 

For randoms, to carry tier 10 games, you can't really get a better tank IMO, that basically can do everything well.  



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Every one seems to be able to easily pen my 430u so much so that i prefer the tier 9 430 i have much more fun in that one.

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View PostF_U_R_Y_666, on 19 December 2019 - 01:17 PM, said:

Every one seems to be able to easily pen my 430u so much so that i prefer the tier 9 430 i have much more fun in that one.


in fact u prefer tier9 mm, not 430 over 430u


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View PostStevies_Team, on 19 December 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

Got it and sold it twice so far, crew are in barracks, the  gun is meh

 

140 was waaay more fun

I'm quite opposite. I love the 430U, I can do so much more in it. 

 

I can't stand how fragile the 140 is. One arty hit from a BC and my tracks are taken off, my engine is set on fire, my ammo rack is damaged and my loader and driver are dead. The DPM and gun handling is awesome though.


Edited by 24doom24, 19 December 2019 - 02:25 PM.





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