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Obj. 260 vs WZ-111 5A vs Obj. 277


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Poll: Obj. 260 vs WZ-111 5A vs Obj. 277 (63 members have cast votes)

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Which one you think is better?

  1. Obj.260 (34 votes [53.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.97%

  2. WZ-111 5A (18 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. Obj.277 (11 votes [17.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.46%

Which one you enjoy more?

  1. Obj.260 (30 votes [47.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.62%

  2. WZ-111 5A (18 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. Obj.277 (15 votes [23.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.81%

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saurilian #1 Posted 22 December 2019 - 11:22 AM

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*apparently this forum decided to delete my whole damn comment and leave just few words so let's just rewrite it more simple*

 

They seem to be quite similar tanks. Are they? I don't want to spend time grinding 3 similar vehicles. 

The Obj.260 seems to be best option as it has the best p/w ratio of 3 but the problem is I haven't seen much reviews about it since buff so I'm not sure how the tank actually is. How does it perform? What do you think about it?


Edited by saurilian_mata, 22 December 2019 - 12:46 PM.


splash_time #2 Posted 22 December 2019 - 11:29 AM

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I personally doesn't have it, but I tried it on other account, it's just a mixture of 5A and IS 7, it has -6 gun depression and the almost same DPM of 5A, it also has good speed. Good base pen and gold ammo.



saurilian #3 Posted 22 December 2019 - 11:40 AM

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View Postsplash_time, on 22 December 2019 - 11:29 AM, said:

I personally doesn't have it, but I tried it on other account, it's just a mixture of 5A and IS 7, it has -6 gun depression and the almost same DPM of 5A, it also has good speed. Good base pen and gold ammo.

 

That's exactly what I noticed looking at tanks.gg. I'm making this post because I don't want spend time grinding 3 similar tanks, would rather pick one of them



kaneloon #4 Posted 22 December 2019 - 11:42 AM

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Then you were speaking of the 277 and not of the 260 ? You get the obj 260 by missions.

saurilian #5 Posted 22 December 2019 - 11:43 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 22 December 2019 - 11:42 AM, said:

Then you were speaking of the 277 and not of the 260 ? You get the obj 260 by missions.

 

People say 260 is better than 277. It also is more hard to get and I like this challenge



kaneloon #6 Posted 22 December 2019 - 11:48 AM

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Good luck then. Meanwhile I suggest you grind one of the others.

xx984 #7 Posted 22 December 2019 - 12:16 PM

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260 is the best, 5a the worst out of the three, although personally I enjoy is7 the most.

 

reason I say 5a is the worst, is because there are so many tier 10 heavies that do the 5a’s job a little better, 260, 113, 277, Chieftain. Sure the 5a isn’t terrible, but the armour and gun for me makes it the worst to play out of the ones I just listed 



24doom24 #8 Posted 22 December 2019 - 12:30 PM

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You should separate the IS-7 and 277. 277 is better.

saurilian #9 Posted 22 December 2019 - 12:38 PM

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View Post24doom24, on 22 December 2019 - 12:30 PM, said:

You should separate the IS-7 and 277. 277 is better.

 

Did it! Thanks



xx984 #10 Posted 22 December 2019 - 12:40 PM

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View Postsaurilian_mata, on 22 December 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

Did it! Thanks


now my vote is 277 is most fun): when now out of those three it’d be on 260



demon_tank #11 Posted 23 December 2019 - 09:10 PM

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260 wins because the gun handling is so much better than 277 and 5A. The 50 less alpha dmg isnt a big deal.

 

All 3 tanks are similar in mobility and armor imho. Small differences here and there but overall on the same level. So the gun is what decides the winner and its the 260 no doubt.


Edited by demon_tank, 23 December 2019 - 09:10 PM.


Schepel #12 Posted 23 December 2019 - 10:19 PM

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Edit: got distracted by the mention of the IS-7.

 

obj 260 is the clearly the best out of these tanks. Both the 277 and the 5A suffer from the fact there is a 430U to be had which outperforms both. The hull armour on both the 277 and the 5a is useless and the turret armour isn't exactly bullet proof, either.


Edited by Schepel, 23 December 2019 - 10:22 PM.


Hyina #13 Posted 23 December 2019 - 10:40 PM

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Biggest prob with the 260 is the troll gun. It's russian but my god it's so awful sometimes, at least for me.

Panikovski #14 Posted 24 December 2019 - 01:03 AM

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You can check win rate on EU and it paints a pretty clear picture:
Obj 260      - 53.38% WR
WZ111 5A  - 51.97% WR
Obj 277      - 49.95% WR

You might wanna keep in mind that the Obj 260 is owned by better/more experienced players than the other two tanks, so might explain (partly) the better win rate. As for comparison, 277 and 260 have paper hulls and very strong turrets while the 5A has the bounciest hull of the three but weakest turret, because hatches are actual (real) weak spots.

antwerp_fighter #15 Posted 24 December 2019 - 08:58 AM

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View PostPanikovski, on 24 December 2019 - 01:03 AM, said:

 As for comparison, 277 and 260 have paper hulls and very strong turrets while the 5A has the bounciest hull

 

Not really, 260 has better hull than 277 and 5A...



demon_tank #16 Posted 24 December 2019 - 01:35 PM

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View PostPanikovski, on 24 December 2019 - 12:03 AM, said:

You can check win rate on EU and it paints a pretty clear picture:
Obj 260      - 53.38% WR
WZ111 5A  - 51.97% WR
Obj 277      - 49.95% WR

You might wanna keep in mind that the Obj 260 is owned by better/more experienced players than the other two tanks, so might explain (partly) the better win rate. As for comparison, 277 and 260 have paper hulls and very strong turrets while the 5A has the bounciest hull of the three but weakest turret, because hatches are actual (real) weak spots.

Not enough bad players have the 260 though so you cant draw safe conclusions.

You can only fairly compare the other 2.



JOSEBA_PRIME #17 Posted 24 December 2019 - 05:20 PM

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obj 277 > wz 5a >>> obj 260

 

In my opinion 277 is a bit better than 5a, but it is very close. Also keep in mind 277 has a enjoyable grind (is, is-3, t-10..) while to get 5a you need to sufer (type 58, is-2 and 110). Then, I think both tanks are way better than 260...

 

I hate 260, it has the worst gun out of the 3, worst hull armour, lowest hp, worst depresion (it has 0,5º more than 277 but it is taller so...). Also it is burning all the time and it is the easiest target for enemy arty...



demon_tank #18 Posted 24 December 2019 - 06:11 PM

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View PostJOSEBA_PRIME, on 24 December 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

obj 277 > wz 5a >>> obj 260

 

In my opinion 277 is a bit better than 5a, but it is very close. Also keep in mind 277 has a enjoyable grind (is, is-3, t-10..) while to get 5a you need to sufer (type 58, is-2 and 110). Then, I think both tanks are way better than 260...

 

I hate 260, it has the worst gun out of the 3, worst hull armour, lowest hp, worst depresion (it has 0,5º more than 277 but it is taller so...). Also it is burning all the time and it is the easiest target for enemy arty...

WUT ???

 

260 clearly has the best gun.

 

2nb best pen with 260 mm. 277 has 265 mm & 5A has 250 mm.

Best RoF with 5,69 r/m. 5A has 5,59 r/m & 277 has 5,01 r/m.

Best shell velocity with 1259 m/s. 277 has 1030 m/s & 5A has 930 m/s (on standard shell).

Best accuracy with 0,34. 277 has 0,36 & 5A has 0,37.

Best aimtime with 2,11 sec. 5A has 2,4 sec & 277 has 2,59 sec.

Best dispersion values when moving , hull traversing & turret traversing. 277 is 2nd & 5A is 3rd.

2nd best gun depression with 6 degrees. 5A has 7 & 277 has 5,5 degrees.

 

So clearly the 260 has the best gun by far which makes it the best of the 3 since the mobility and armor is very similar for all 3 tanks and the only advantage the 5A & 277 have is 50 more alpha dmg which doesnt justify the worse gun stats.

 

You re doing something wrong with your 260. But ofc its a matter of personal prefference. The 3 tanks are very similar. I can see how anyone could prefer any of the 3.

For me 260 is the best even though not by much.


Edited by demon_tank, 24 December 2019 - 06:12 PM.


JOSEBA_PRIME #19 Posted 24 December 2019 - 06:53 PM

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View Postdemon_tank, on 24 December 2019 - 06:11 PM, said:

WUT ???

 

260 clearly has the best gun.

 

2nb best pen with 260 mm. 277 has 265 mm & 5A has 250 mm.

Best RoF with 5,69 r/m. 5A has 5,59 r/m & 277 has 5,01 r/m.

Best shell velocity with 1259 m/s. 277 has 1030 m/s & 5A has 930 m/s (on standard shell).

Best accuracy with 0,34. 277 has 0,36 & 5A has 0,37.

Best aimtime with 2,11 sec. 5A has 2,4 sec & 277 has 2,59 sec.

Best dispersion values when moving , hull traversing & turret traversing. 277 is 2nd & 5A is 3rd.

2nd best gun depression with 6 degrees. 5A has 7 & 277 has 5,5 degrees.

 

So clearly the 260 has the best gun by far which makes it the best of the 3 since the mobility and armor is very similar for all 3 tanks and the only advantage the 5A & 277 have is 50 more alpha dmg which doesnt justify the worse gun stats.

 

You re doing something wrong with your 260. But ofc its a matter of personal prefference. The 3 tanks are very similar. I can see how anyone could prefer any of the 3.

For me 260 is the best even though not by much.

 

I disagree.

 

I still think 260 has the worst gun. 440 alpha is way worse than 490 alpha. Worst dpm even having worst alpha. Penetration values are the same, I dont care about 5/10 mm difference AP/APCR. And exacly same HEAT pen. I also dont care about a bit of shell velocity on a heavy tank. 6º on a super tall tank is worse than 5,5º on a super low tank imo.

 

In paper only significant advantage on 260´s gun is gun handling. But with my personal feelings I even feel 260 has the worst gun handling. I have worse hit ratio on 5a than on 260, despite I played 90% 5a games without food and played 260´s 100% games with food. In alternative modes I also have worse hit ratio in 260 than in 5a. Chehk your random batles, you have the worst (almost the same) hit ratio in 260.

 

I also think IS-7 and 113 are better than 260. But yes, most likely I am doing something wrong with 260, I play very agressive, should I snipe from the back? Maybe I am also doing something wrong burning 50/130 games,.. Or maybe I am geting triple focus because it is a special tank, idk..

 

But everybody has own preferences. If you prefer 260, play 260 and enjoy yourself, everyything it´s fine. I am having a blast playing with my new 277, and I had total horrible experience while playing 260, that´s all.

 



redman75 #20 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:41 PM

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Obj 277 is a crap , i get front penn from tier 8 like T55 .This tank should be on tier 8 or maximum tier 9. I want WOT to return me all credit  spent on this crap.




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