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Tomotorqemada #1 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:07 PM

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Let's play a game:

Here's a tanks.gg list of tanks by winrate

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The first one who finds me a non-premium/reward tank on this list gets, say, a 1000 gold.

Hint

Question: is there ANY reasonable hope for an improvement of the situation? 



shikaka9 #2 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:12 PM

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its BT-SV .  non premium, non reward ... a mystery tank :teethhappy:

UrQuan #3 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:14 PM

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You know what? Mad respect for whoever plays the KV-4 Kreslavsky. That thing is worse then the regular KV-4 techtree tank. To push it to 56% WR it needs some well skilled folks in it.

 

 



shikaka9 #4 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:17 PM

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View PostUrQuan, on 26 December 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

You know what? Mad respect for whoever plays the KV-4 Kreslavsky. That thing is worse then the regular KV-4 techtree tank. To push it to 56% WR it needs some well skilled folks in it.

 

 

only streamers play it :) didnt see anyone else



Ratriq #5 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:18 PM

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Well I mean, some of these are literally low tier seal clubber premiums... :mellow:

I do however neither agree or disagree on this cause I'm not the kind of person who completely trusts wr and wn8 on tanks if you do don't know the whole story behind them.
To example, the KV-2 R got way better stats than the KV-2, but it's a complete copy of a KV-2. 

Some tanks just have a better winrate cause better players play them, which I'd suspect will be a bit of a case when it comes to premiums. Sure bad players exist who own premiums but most often or not, it's the more of the hardcore type who actually will spend about 30 bucks a virtual pixel tank on this game.
Again, I'm not saying bad players don't own premiums, but I wouldn't be surprised if on average, there is a bigger majority of players who own expensive premiums are above-average.

Edited by Ratriq, 26 December 2019 - 05:27 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #6 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:20 PM

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Yes, those rare and super OP tanks, Chimera and Excalibur..

1ucky #7 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:22 PM

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 26 December 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

Let's play a game:

Here's a tanks.gg list of tanks by winrate

20191226_165325.jpg

The first one who finds me a non-premium/reward tank on this list gets, say, a 1000 gold.

Hint

Question: is there ANY reasonable hope for an improvement of the situation? 

Answer:

Yes.

And a lot of hope, too.

Because the worse your win percentage is, the easier it is to boost it.

Have fun in your attempts at it & good luck!



UrQuan #8 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:29 PM

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View Postshikaka9, on 26 December 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

only streamers play it :) didnt see anyone else

Can believe that. the tank is an unicorn, you hardly ever see it. 

 

If all prem tanks were on the powerlevel of the KV-4 Kreslavsky I doubt people would claim 'all prem/reward tanks are OP!' and more 'Buff them please! They're in a sad state!'

 

Note there are indeed OP tanks & should be balanced more. But that list by is the very example of selection bias. Many of those tanks are limited so the only ones playing it are those who enjoy the tank & hence naturally play better.

Can't remember when I have seen an IS-5 last time either.

 

Not to mention tech tree tanks will generally do worse because they got all kinds playing it especially if they're grindable. See Object 268v4 (one hell of a TX TD) or M44 ( one of the strongest arty in the game)

 


Edited by UrQuan, 26 December 2019 - 05:31 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #9 Posted 26 December 2019 - 05:53 PM

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First of all, some of those stats aren't accurate when comparing it on wot-news.com.

E.g. Pz2J has "only" 62,86% WR for the EU region.

 

Also, "pay to win" and then pointing to the SU-76I which was only sold for like 1 hour total. Nice meme, and that tank is, imo, far from a problem at the tier it plays at, since nobody plays it. Out of the 1228 players who actually did manage to get one, only a handful actually played it the past month.

Pz2J is arguably the most broken tank in the game, except that you need to throw €100 at WG to get one, and then many more credits to load all those premium shells to even be able to damage your enemies,

Obyekt 726: reward for arguably the hardest campaign in the game, and its global WR is slowly dropping down as more and more players get it.

T-22 sr: nerfed into oblivion. Nobody plays it anymore.

IS-5: one of the worst tier 8 russian heavies. Nobody plays it anymore either.

Obyekt 907: clanwar tank.

Pz S35: sealclubber tank.

KV-220-2: sealclubber tank.

PaK40; sealclubber tank.

PzB2: sealclubber tank.

Pz38H: Sealclubber tank. (starting to see a pattern here?)

BT-SV: super rare sealclubber tank that barely anyone plays.

KV-4 Krevlavskij: worse KV-4 al-round.

T-28E: sealclubber tank.

VK72: clanwar reward that is mostly balanced and also barely played.



NekoPuffer_PPP #10 Posted 26 December 2019 - 11:24 PM

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Most of the popular, supposedly strong tanks, are played by better players, so the stats are skewed.

 

If they started using other tanks to pad their stats with, we'd easily find tech tree tanks.

 

Maus, T-54, AMX 13 90, T67, E 75, T29, Leo (tier 7 Swede), Caernarvon, S. Conqueror, T71 DA, IS-M, Obj. 430U - are all very strong tech tree tanks but are not played as much or as well, because premium tanks are more cost-effective and therefore more often equipped with food and gold ammo, than standard tanks are.



Tomotorqemada #11 Posted 27 December 2019 - 12:07 AM

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View Post1ucky, on 26 December 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

 

Because the worse your win percentage is, the easier it is to boost it.

 

U totally missed the point.

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 26 December 2019 - 05:53 PM, said:

 clanwar

Well that is part of the problem or even a problem on its own.

Stats imperfection is irrelevant, its like election fraud - u can throw in 2 % or 5% but not 50%. Here ALL the tanks share a same feature, or otherwise - the tanks absent here share  a same feature.

This aint even personal - i gave up on WG long ago and for much more grave reasons than 'balance'. It just hits the eye - once u randomly open tanks.gg and see this



tomatoRNGmaster #12 Posted 27 December 2019 - 12:42 AM

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Disregarding the low tier sealclubbers for a moment, the fact IS-5 is on that list should be a pretty strong hint as to what kind of logical fallacy you're committing here.

Spoiler

 


Edited by tomatoRNGmaster, 27 December 2019 - 12:44 AM.


1ucky #13 Posted 27 December 2019 - 04:58 AM

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 27 December 2019 - 12:07 AM, said:

U totally missed the point.

Yours perhaps but not mine.

 

Anyway keep on losing then, good luck.



tajj7 #14 Posted 27 December 2019 - 09:04 AM

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Global win rates are meaningless because they don't show what players are using the tanks. 

 

Also talking about 'pay to win' and then basically referencing a load of reward tanks is a stupid argument. 



Slyspy #15 Posted 27 December 2019 - 10:19 AM

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 26 December 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

Let's play a game:

Here's a tanks.gg list of tanks by winrate

20191226_165325.jpg

The first one who finds me a non-premium/reward tank on this list gets, say, a 1000 gold.

Hint

Question: is there ANY reasonable hope for an improvement of the situation? 

 

You have failed to properly analyse your source.



BR33K1_PAWAH #16 Posted 27 December 2019 - 11:04 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 27 December 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

Global win rates are meaningless because they don't show what players are using the tanks. 

 

Also talking about 'pay to win' and then basically referencing a load of reward tanks is a stupid argument. 


This.

 

Also, the dreaded T-22! Omg, someone save us from being farmed by that DOOM machine! :D

OP, you're hilarious.



Homer_J #17 Posted 27 December 2019 - 12:08 PM

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 26 December 2019 - 04:07 PM, said:

Let's play a game:

Here's a tanks.gg list of tanks by winrate

20191226_165325.jpg

The first one who finds me a non-premium/reward tank on this list gets, say, a 1000 gold.

 

If this is pay to win then show me where I can buy one of those tanks.

 

Mostly they are reward tanks given out to good players so hardly surprising that they get good results.  Then you have sealclubber tanks played mostly by professional seal clubbers.

 

So as proof goes it falls someway short of the mark.

 

BTW, you included the KV-220-2 twice.  One version was the beta tester reward tank.



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View PostHomer_J, on 27 December 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

If this is pay to win then show me where I can buy one of those tanks.

 

Mostly they are reward tanks given out to good players so hardly surprising that they get good results.  Then you have sealclubber tanks played mostly by professional seal clubbers.

 

So as proof goes it falls someway short of the mark.

 

BTW, you included the KV-220-2 twice.  One version was the beta tester reward tank.

I guess you could call it in-directly P2W. You think those players didn't fire a ton of gold shells? Think again.



Wintermute_1 #19 Posted 27 December 2019 - 12:32 PM

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There are plenty of crappy premiums, what you have here is a list of 'mainly' tanks that require decent play to acquire. 



RaxipIx #20 Posted 27 December 2019 - 01:18 PM

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I can give you a play to play tank that is op. VKP 100(1) from the tech tree. From my limited experience in tier 8 "sigh" i think it's the most op tank tier for tier at tier 8.




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