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I think Obj 140 needs a small buff - gun depression


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FizzlePopBerryTwist #1 Posted 01 January 2020 - 04:54 AM

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Let's get straight to it:
While i not think the Obj140 is overall a bad/weak tank, its easy to say its outclassed by all those tanks coming out since its introduction.

A mayor grape i got with this tank is -6 gun depression... ha... laughable


So many maps do have extensive hills to the point they are mostly just hills. While -6 might works in cities for the most part,

it sure as hell won't help the tank to fight other counterparts (aka meds) which sport -8, -10 or in some extreme cases -12!! (STB-1) or Udes insane -13°

 

Object can't hope to point a gun at those, while being shot up from above.

 

Its simply a relic from ancient times, when there were no physics and the maps mostly flat.

 

Suggestion: Buff gun depression to ~7°/8°

 

Right now it can't even compete with it's own brothers. Object 430U might got even worse depression at -5, it at least has some trollish armor to and a nice punch.

 

 

ps. this reminds me a lot on the T-343 , which at first had -5 (and the gun rose skywards when stepping on cars)

... and now it has -6.5° and works sooo much better. All time favorite. (but this too can brawl and got prefer MM)


Edited by FizzlePopBerryTwist, 01 January 2020 - 05:17 AM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #2 Posted 01 January 2020 - 05:07 AM

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Nope, 140 already got an entirely unnecessary buff when they changed the roof armour and rendered the 62A obsolete in the process. It doesn't need anything else.

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 01 January 2020 - 04:07 AM, said:

Nope, 140 already got an entirely unnecessary buff when they changed the roof armour and rendered the 62A obsolete in the process. It doesn't need anything else.

The turret is like any russian. Nothing special here. https://tanks.gg/tank/obj-140/model?vm=live the hatches are clearly visible and overall its besides the point.

 

It can't get its gun down. Other Tier X mediums CAN or got SOMETHING to elevate them from the rest. Be it armor or punch. The 140's DPS are on the other hand pretty meaningless if you can't find targets on eye level.



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The 140 Needs no more buffs so long as the T-62A Remains as it is. 

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View PostFizzlePopBerryTwist, on 01 January 2020 - 05:18 AM, said:

It can't get its gun down. Other Tier X mediums CAN or got SOMETHING to elevate them from the rest. Be it armor or punch. The 140's DPS are on the other hand pretty meaningless if you can't find targets on eye level.

 

Then you need to learn to find places where you can work the gun depression you do have. 140 is plenty competitive as it is, it doesn't need buffs just because you're struggling to make it work.



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Sums up the problem perfectly.

 

Obj140: can't lower the gun. Can't hit anything. At best he can shoot an extreme tough turret at an bad angle.

STA-1: ... can shoot the lower plate without a problem.


Edited by FizzlePopBerryTwist, 01 January 2020 - 07:17 AM.


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View PostFizzlePopBerryTwist, on 01 January 2020 - 06:16 AM, said:

Spoiler

Sums up the problem perfectly.

 

Obj140: can't lower the gun. Can't hit anything. At best he can shoot an extreme tough turret at an bad angle.

STA-1: ... can shoot the lower plate without a problem.

 

Right...

 

Does the STB-1 also need better gun handling? Because Obj. 140 has that.

 

I got a better idea to solve your issue: reduce all tech trees to one tank of each class per each tier, so you can have it all (pen, DPM, alpha, gun depression, armor, mobility, gun handling,...), at all times. Would that suit you?


Edited by Spurtung, 01 January 2020 - 07:33 AM.


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View PostFizzlePopBerryTwist, on 01 January 2020 - 06:16 AM, said:

 

Sums up the problem perfectly.

 

 

That is not a problem, that is the strength and weakness of two tanks.

 

Obj. 140 is fine, it's other tanks that need to be brought back to it's level, it's a very good all round armoured med, just sad we have things like the 430U, 277, 907 etc. that are better at it. 

 

We need to reduce tier 10 powercreep not increase it, if you compared Obj. 140 to more balanced stuff like the Cent AX, E50M, E100, Fatton, E5 etc. it looks good, it just struggles compared to the tier 10 power creep tanks - 279e, T95/Fv4201, 907, 277, 260, 5A, 430U etc. 

 

Obj. 140 should be pretty much the best 'armoured' med example and as someone above said it already got an unnecessary buff to the turret roof that pushed the T-62A out of the game.  

 

Sadly we now have heavies that are pretty much as good mediums as mediums whilst not really sacrificing anything as a heavy, and a medium that is as well armoured as a heavy (430U) which has pushed the power level too high. Heaviums need to go back to the T-10 levels, tanks that have compromises for having both armour and mobility. 



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View PostSpurtung, on 01 January 2020 - 07:31 AM, said:

Does the STB-1 also need better gun handling? Because Obj. 140 has that.

 

While you're at it could we buff it's side armour so it doesn't get overmatched by practically everything? 140 can sidescrape and that's just not fair. Reeeee!



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There are plenty of other tanks that need some love before buffing an already good T 10.

 

Chinese Tech Tree mediums desperately need some buffs, if you think 6 degrees is unworkable you have clearly never played a WZ-120 with the 122mm ...



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He wants buffs to ruski medium?

 



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View PostSuurpolskija, on 01 January 2020 - 08:49 AM, said:

He wants buffs to ruski medium?

 

I'm unsure, yet leaning into trolling.



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My T-62A says hello... Or rather, as you brought this up I am going to sell it since I never use it. It is rendered obsolete, and I wish it was a 140 instead. 

apaleytos #15 Posted 01 January 2020 - 01:13 PM

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I need 170k xp to unlock obj 140(have both guns availvable on T-54). This can be my first  T10 medium  tank(have it discounted from last year -30%).Should i get it or play the T44(have it with 3skill crew) and go for obj430U?.Last time i played my T54,T-10 was IS-8 :trollface:.

 

WG spoiled the playerbase,every tank these days have -10 gun depr and 300mm+ turret armor lol.

 

 


Edited by apaleytos, 01 January 2020 - 01:16 PM.


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My CAX will donate 1 deg gun depression not to get ammo-racked every shot.

Nishi_Kinuyo #17 Posted 01 January 2020 - 01:20 PM

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Oh yeah sure, and lets just give it a Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum to it as well.

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 some extreme cases -12!! (STB-1) or Udes insane -13°

 Also, STBeast-1 has -14 gundep.

 



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In my opinion the Obj.140 gun (elevation and handling wise) works better then on 907. At least I´m finding it more enjoyable to play (Although 907 is more common in randoms/competetive only for the armoring).

The tank itself doen´t need a buff tbh. Still performs well.

 

Someone here remembers the old Wz 120/121 (2016) whit 3 degrees of gundepression?

 

 



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140 needs a module health buff or something. I'm getting tired of having half my tank wiped out every time an arta hits me. -6 is fine, the tank has other issues. 
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View Postapaleytos, on 01 January 2020 - 12:13 PM, said:

I need 170k xp to unlock obj 140(have both guns availvable on T-54). This can be my first  T10 medium  tank(have it discounted from last year -30%).Should i get it or play the T44(have it with 3skill crew) and go for obj430U?.Last time i played my T54,T-10 was IS-8 :trollface:.

 

WG spoiled the playerbase,every tank these days have -10 gun depr and 300mm+ turret armor lol.

 

 

Go for the 430U instead. It has better camo and can brawl heavy lines unlike a 140. It's a powerhouse.



Beltalowda #20 Posted 01 January 2020 - 03:14 PM

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Everything made in Russia is already superior to anything else and don't need upgrading :)

 

Being from Czech Republic who used to be Soviet puppet we had a saying that came from Russia I think about Soviet technology...It does not bend and it does not break.


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