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The new worst tier 10 heavy tank of 2020

Tier 10 heavies Tank parameter improvements 113 E100 IS4 AMX M4 54 T110E5

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Poll: Worst tier 10 heavy tank that needs buffing or replacing in 2020 (113 members have cast votes)

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Which one needs buffing or replacing?

  1. 113 (7 votes [6.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.19%

  2. IS4 (40 votes [35.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.40%

  3. E100 (23 votes [20.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.35%

  4. T110E5 (32 votes [28.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.32%

  5. AMX M4 54 (11 votes [9.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.73%

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Arcduke #1 Posted 01 January 2020 - 05:53 PM

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Here is just some of the tanks that I personally think need buffing badly or just replacing with something better 

My No.1 tank that needs a buff is the 113 with is terrible ammo capacity, dreadful gun dispersion, poor aim time even with equipment (Slower than the 5A), Useless gun depression, 3rd worst penetration on standard shells. need I go on? What other tanks are seriously underperforming in the power creep era? 



FatigueGalaxy #2 Posted 01 January 2020 - 07:37 PM

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All of them are kinda weak, but:

- 113 is a heavium and those can never be truly bad, even if it's overshadowed by 430U,

- IS-4 can still be a great bully when fighting tier 8 and 9 tanks,

- E-100 sucks only when enemies fire gold at you and while it does happen often, it doesn't happen always,

- AMX M4 54 as bad as it's reputation, it's still a heavy with 40 km/h speed limit and 560 alpha so similar to IS-4 - as long as it's not pure tier 10 battle, it's not that bad (also, people complain about premium pen but 280 mm AP is very close to 303 m APCR from IS-7 at decent range vs sloped armour so it's bad but not terrible).

 

So my vote goes to T110E5 which IMO, offers nothing to a player. It's not heavium, it doesn't have armour, even tier 8s have no trouble dealing with it (I would rather fight E5 than IS-4 or even AMX in my tier 8 tanks - any day of the week). I mean, you can use 120 mm on AMX M4 54 (which makes it a worse tank IMO) and sacrifice ~200 DPM for better pen, aiming time, accuracy, speed and armour - so what's the point of E5?. You'll suck in both in full tier 10 battles - at least most of the time, but at least you can kick some puppies players in tier 8 tanks in the AMX.



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M4 54 hands down.

splash_time #4 Posted 01 January 2020 - 07:56 PM

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Honestly? I would vote for an IS-4, it's true tho, they are performing worse compared to other tanks, but it doesn't mean they are bad at all.

 

113: Good speed and DPM with absolutely good HEAT, 248 isn't that bad to be honest, I play with my Maus's AP which is 246 which is weaker, but it still Useable. 

IS-4: Good side scraper, and good pen for both standard and HEAT pen. But it needs a little bit more armour (+15 mm on frontal armour) and a bit better DPM.

E 100: Great side armour and a good damage trader, good pen for HEAT, and third hiest HP pool in game.

AMX M4 54: Interesting frontal armour that allows you to rush without worries, and good pen for both shells of stock gun (I perfer using stock gun), and it's really good for blocking damage missions. 

 

Edit: of someone use them in the right way without rushing alone (and considering bad teams ofc), they can be fun as well.


Edited by splash_time, 01 January 2020 - 07:58 PM.


ChristOfTheAbyss #5 Posted 01 January 2020 - 07:59 PM

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Pz. VII, just beacause lousy armour, dpm and awkward gameplay cause of turret placement. AMX 54 beats it cause its gun depression and mobility. 

mtnm #6 Posted 01 January 2020 - 08:13 PM

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My vote goes for the "free damage pinata".

shikaka9 #7 Posted 01 January 2020 - 08:16 PM

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E100 is could be best tank , but it is a victim of gold abuse...

 

but

113 is worst in any dimensions



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Never understood why people says E100 is weak. Of course if you play it as a Maus it will be weak, but that thing has one of the best HT guns in game, armour that can work and 2.7k HP.

 

IS-4, on the other hand, is probably the worst HT in class. Armour is good, but the very low gun handling, coupled with bad DPM for a now low alpha and very limited ammo count really kill the tank!



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E100 is the king of useless tanks...

ChristOfTheAbyss #10 Posted 01 January 2020 - 09:19 PM

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 01 January 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

E100 is the king of useless tanks...

 

Yet it is balanced when looked at winrate curves. 



snowlywhite #11 Posted 01 January 2020 - 09:29 PM

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yeah, well, ppl. bitchin' about a 2.7k hp, big boy alpha tank not having maus armor. Gee, wonder why...

 

you'd think doing 4 shots(to do more than your hp) ain't that complicated; but apparently for some is.



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While I have not played any of these tanks I have fought against them and by far, the E100 is the easiest to kill. You only have to load gold and shoot that big, flat, juicy, front turret and boom, 400 hp gone. The turret is also most of the time so big that I can manage to get one shot in before the E100 even gets fully out of cover to shoot back.

That alone is such a big weakness that made me not even want to buy the tank and I only have 1 single t10 tank on my record and I've even researched it since I've played my E 75 way too much these past days.
 

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View PostRatriq, on 01 January 2020 - 09:53 PM, said:

While I have not played any of these tanks I have fought against them and by far, the E100 is the easiest to kill. You only have to load gold and shoot that big, flat, juicy, front turret and boom, 400 hp gone. The turret is also most of the time so big that I can manage to get one shot in before the E100 even gets fully out of cover to shoot back.

That alone is such a big weakness that made me not even want to buy the tank and I only have 1 single t10 tank on my record and I've even researched it since I've played my E 75 way too much these past days.
 

 

Proper E100 player puts 750 alpha shot to you everytime you do that 400 to them. At even trading E100 will win.



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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 01 January 2020 - 09:00 PM, said:

 

Proper E100 player puts 750 alpha shot to you everytime you do that 400 to them. At even trading E100 will win.

Yeah "proper" but it does mean the tank is a lot harder to make ut workable which also means it's a lot worse than the other tanks. Sure you can make any tank work if you are good enough, but while you maybe had one amazing game in a bad tank you would probably have had 2 amazing games in a better tank.



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View Postsnowlywhite, on 01 January 2020 - 08:29 PM, said:

yeah, well, ppl. bitchin' about a 2.7k hp, big boy alpha tank not having maus armor. Gee, wonder why...

 

you'd think doing 4 shots(to do more than your hp) ain't that complicated; but apparently for some is.

It's not about this in this thread. If doing more dmg than your own HP it's your goal in WoT, then, by this logic, there are no bad tanks in the game. You can carry your own HP in every tank 90% of the time. But this is about something else. 



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View PostDava_117, on 01 January 2020 - 08:33 PM, said:

Never understood why people says E100 is weak. Of course if you play it as a Maus it will be weak, but that thing has one of the best HT guns in game, armour that can work and 2.7k HP.

 

IS-4, on the other hand, is probably the worst HT in class. Armour is good, but the very low gun handling, coupled with bad DPM for a now low alpha and very limited ammo count really kill the tank!

 

E100 is my first tier 10 I bought and I begin to learn the others, slowly.

It works for me
http://wotreplays.eu/site/5163811#siegfried_line-pansenmann-e_100

 

not stellar gameplay but I survived :)



snowlywhite #17 Posted 01 January 2020 - 10:28 PM

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 01 January 2020 - 10:05 PM, said:

It's not about this in this thread. If doing more dmg than your own HP it's your goal in WoT, then, by this logic, there are no bad tanks in the game. You can carry your own HP in every tank 90% of the time. But this is about something else. 

 

I know; but the idea still stands - you can't have td level of alpha, heavy tank hp and then expect to have best armor too. I suppose it should also do about 60...

 

do I think e100 is great or something? No. I'm 100% sure I wouldn't like it because I don't like that gamestyle. But it's a perfectly viable tank. Doesn't have a bad wr curve or anything.

 

The problem with e100(and is7) is there are a ton of ppl. rushing those 2 lines to t10 as their 1st line. Have no clue, than complain about the tank. And while is7 is at least pretty generic, this one requires a very specific playstyle. Plus good game knowledge to make the armor work.

 

I mean, e100 has a clear niche; if you like it, it's an ok tank. While is4 or e5 are... just bad. E5 is pointless with sconq around and is4 has the gunhandling of autumn 1800.



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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 01 January 2020 - 10:00 PM, said:

 

Proper E100 player puts 750 alpha shot to you everytime you do that 400 to them. At even trading E100 will win.

 

This.

 

The E100 is an easy target in the hands of a bad player, but that kind of goes for every tank, doesn't it?



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Hope WG buff all of them...I will pick up IS-4...

IS-4: dpm and gun handling, maybe also remove the weak point on the head like IS-3

E-100: cheek armor

E5: make that cupola smaller.. or thicker

AMX M4 45 and 113... no idea...

 

 



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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 01 January 2020 - 08:37 PM, said:

All of them are kinda weak, but:

- 113 is a heavium and those can never be truly bad, even if it's overshadowed by 430U,

- IS-4 can still be a great bully when fighting tier 8 and 9 tanks,

- E-100 sucks only when enemies fire gold at you and while it does happen often, it doesn't happen always,

- AMX M4 54 as bad as it's reputation, it's still a heavy with 40 km/h speed limit and 560 alpha so similar to IS-4 - as long as it's not pure tier 10 battle, it's not that bad (also, people complain about premium pen but 280 mm AP is very close to 303 m APCR from IS-7 at decent range vs sloped armour so it's bad but not terrible).

 

So my vote goes to T110E5 which IMO, offers nothing to a player. It's not heavium, it doesn't have armour, even tier 8s have no trouble dealing with it (I would rather fight E5 than IS-4 or even AMX in my tier 8 tanks - any day of the week). I mean, you can use 120 mm on AMX M4 54 (which makes it a worse tank IMO) and sacrifice ~200 DPM for better pen, aiming time, accuracy, speed and armour - so what's the point of E5?. You'll suck in both in full tier 10 battles - at least most of the time, but at least you can kick some puppies players in tier 8 tanks in the AMX.


I voted for IS-4, but damn good point overall.






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