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Gyubbz #1 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:21 PM

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Let me start this thread off by warning, I am in no way a good world of tanks player. I'd like to think I'm average in skill level and my stats for the most part reflect that in my opinion.

I have also just acquired the Obj. 430U which as I understand is widely claimed to be an absurdly overpowered Tier X tank. I would also agree with this statement had I not played the vehicle myself...

Every time I fight this vehicle it consistently seems to prove a nuisance to penetrate frontally or even through the tracks as most of my shells seem to be absorbed, just AP, not even HEAT shells as I try not to fire "special" ammo unless I am otherwise completely unable to penetrate my opponents weak spots.

 

HOWEVER, I have played a meager 4 games in the Obj. 430U and already want to tear my own hair out as in 3 of these 4 games, I have been ammo racked by a "special" shell within the first 2 minutes of the game starting. Am I doing something wrong? Do I need special crew or special equipment slots focused solely on ammo rack durability or am I just getting extremely unlucky?

I am refusing to play the tank anymore simply because I know I will immediately be enraged should I get ammo racked again. Is this just a risk you have to take playing the tank? I for one can't recall ever having ammo racked one on the opposing team or even seeing them be frequently ammo racked and yet 75% of my (granted extremely limited experience in) games in this tank have left me without a turret attached to the smoldering carcass of my once very badass feeling tank.

 

Please someone, what am I doing wrong?!



Negativvv #2 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:24 PM

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You are not ready for T10...

 

That's basically it.



24doom24 #3 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:31 PM

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430U is a phenomenal tank. The only real solution/ advice that's relevant here is "git gud". 

azakow #4 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:33 PM

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All that free XP grinding and now this ?!

I feel for you.

 

 


 

 



1ucky #5 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:35 PM

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Maybe we have to acknowledge that while yes some tanks are OP, it is still also true that their drivers are sometimes doing something right. Or not.

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shikaka9 #6 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:37 PM

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yes its one of those gold magnet tanks

1ucky #7 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:39 PM

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View PostGyubbz, on 03 January 2020 - 07:21 PM, said:

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Please someone, what am I doing wrong?!

1.) Theatrically losing your nerve after four battles.

2.) Asking what you did wrong whilst not providing replays.



Gyubbz #8 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:53 PM

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View Post1ucky, on 03 January 2020 - 06:39 PM, said:

1.) Theatrically losing your nerve after four battles.

2.) Asking what you did wrong whilst not providing replays.


Replay wise, I can sum up 3 of those games pretty quickly in that 2 of them, I straight up got ammo racked from full health by HEAT from a Jg Pz. E100 unspotted whilst next to 2 other teammates that could have been targets instead, and the other game happened less than an hour ago, 1v1'ing a T110E5, hadn't taken a scratch of damage from him, dealt 1400 damage to him and the first shell he pens is a gold round that full health ammo racks me :)



Blackadder83 #9 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:57 PM

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It's simple ... you suck! You have less than 10k battles and bunch of T10 and T9 that you don't know how to play efficiently and you rushed trough the content without really experiencing it. Go back to tiers 6-8 and learn the game, maps, positions, weakspots, how to utilize your tank, then you can go and play T9 and T10 battles, without being hindrance to the team. I have a little more battles than you and I still don't have a T10 tank, only couple of tier 9s. 

Edited by Blackadder83, 03 January 2020 - 07:57 PM.


AXIS_OF_RESISTANCE #10 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:57 PM

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Just keep playing 4 games are nothing , play it like 277 and is-7 you're doing good in them ,

Make sure to have :

-Full camo,repairs , firefighting crew

-Replace optics with vents   +food

-Run 50/50 ap\heat with 6+HE

and you should be fine :great:.

if you get Tilted just remember 

Spoiler

 

 


Edited by AXIS_OF_RESISTANCE, 03 January 2020 - 08:05 PM.


Rantrex #11 Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:58 PM

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Why are you letting enemies fire at your tank, and especially your lfp?

BrinklyWollox #12 Posted 03 January 2020 - 08:02 PM

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View PostRantrex, on 03 January 2020 - 06:58 PM, said:

Why are you letting enemies fire at your tank, and especially your lfp?

 

It's the sporting way to play. Mano a mano, tanks 100m apart, standard ammo only, may the best spammer win. Angling your armour or making use of the terrain is simply not the done thing, what?



Gyubbz #13 Posted 03 January 2020 - 08:08 PM

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View PostAXIS_OF_RESISTANCE, on 03 January 2020 - 06:57 PM, said:

Just keep playing 4 games are nothing , play it like 277 and is-7 you're doing good in them ,

Make sure to have :

-Full camo,repairs , firefighting crew

-Replace optics with vents   +food

-Run 50/50 ap\heat with 6+HE

and you should be fine :great:.

if you get Tilted just remember 

Spoiler

 

 

More the answer I was looking for than "don't get shot" or "stop playing" thank you :)



azakow #14 Posted 03 January 2020 - 08:08 PM

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View PostAXIS_OF_RESISTANCE, on 03 January 2020 - 07:57 PM, said:

Just keep playing 4 games are nothing , play it like 277 and is-7 you're doing good in them ,

Make sure to have :

-Full camo,repairs , firefighting crew

-Replace optics with vents   

-Run 50/50 ap\heat with 6+HE

300+ matches in RUS MT at 500xp per match, is worth about 1+ skill. lets be generous say 2 skills.

The OP simply can't follow your advice at all.

 

I would suggest to the OP to lean to carry his own weigth. This is when palyers do good, nothing more noting less.

How?

Be patient in the tech tree and on the battlefield.


Edited by azakow, 03 January 2020 - 08:09 PM.


Negativvv #15 Posted 03 January 2020 - 08:26 PM

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View PostGyubbz, on 03 January 2020 - 07:53 PM, said:


Replay wise, I can sum up 3 of those games pretty quickly in that 2 of them, I straight up got ammo racked from full health by HEAT from a Jg Pz. E100 unspotted whilst next to 2 other teammates that could have been targets instead, and the other game happened less than an hour ago, 1v1'ing a T110E5, hadn't taken a scratch of damage from him, dealt 1400 damage to him and the first shell he pens is a gold round that full health ammo racks me :)

Being smashed by a Jg Pz E100 shows you have not understood higher tiers. Like the Deathstar and S Barn,it is one of those tanks you need to avoid frontal combat with at all costs.

 

Read the mini map, look at the line up at the start. Take personal responsibility instead of blaming other factors.



TheDrownedApe #16 Posted 03 January 2020 - 08:40 PM

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View PostGyubbz, on 03 January 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:


Replay wise, I can sum up 3 of those games pretty quickly in that 2 of them, I straight up got ammo racked from full health by HEAT from a Jg Pz. E100 unspotted whilst next to 2 other teammates that could have been targets instead, and the other game happened less than an hour ago, 1v1'ing a T110E5, hadn't taken a scratch of damage from him, dealt 1400 damage to him and the first shell he pens is a gold round that full health ammo racks me :)

 

Hmm 1v1 a mobile heavy with far superior DPM to you and the ability to easily pen your UFP with every shot. Probably not a good idea, but at least he was as bad/worse than you. Alas, even the sun shines on a dogs [edited]some days


Edited by TheDrownedApe, 03 January 2020 - 08:41 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #17 Posted 04 January 2020 - 09:03 AM

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View PostGyubbz, on 03 January 2020 - 07:21 PM, said:

Please someone, what am I doing wrong?!

 

Post replays if you want people to look at what you're doing wrong and suggest solutions. Third party stories of what you think happened aren't helpful as what you think happened and what actually happened aren't necessarily the same. 



BR33K1_PAWAH #18 Posted 04 January 2020 - 09:09 AM

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I'm terrible with it too. It's an incredible tank but .4 base accuracy on tier X takes some time to get used to.
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View PostGyubbz, on 03 January 2020 - 09:21 PM, said:

Please someone, what am I doing wrong?!

 

Probably exposing yourself too much. Pay attention to cover around you and use it all the time to hide your hull as much as possible. Either sidescrape and don't overangle yourself or get hulldown behind some terrain feature.

And, as Axis already mentioned, make sure that your crew has both repairs and camo maxed. 


Edited by BR33K1_PAWAH, 04 January 2020 - 09:14 AM.


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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 04 January 2020 - 08:09 AM, said:

 

 

Probably exposing yourself too much.  

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HUNmaba #20 Posted 04 January 2020 - 09:48 AM

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Hey, my laat game in the 430U was like 1,8k damage until a reroller, who has 1,8k games and more than 7k personal rating, with a WZ 5A shot HEAT at me, and as i turned my vehicle that 5A ammo racked me of 2000 hp. I was very mad. It was my first ammo rack in this tank. Also my win rate is 23 % with that tank, and with the 430 it was 56 %. I decided not to buy any more tier X tanks only those few that i really want. The 705 got ammo racked too. I'm mad. How should i play the 430U with these kind of teams? 23 % win rate is disgusting. My wn8 with 430U is light green, which is not enough for me, while 430 was blue, i really loved that tank. Taking everything into consideration, try to play the 430U still as a medium, not a heavy medium, bc if you did so, you'd have to shoot HEAT round at heavies most of the times, bc other people do the same. I played it as a medium and i got ammo racked on full health. Gg







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