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MeNoobTank #1 Posted 05 January 2020 - 04:34 PM

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I was just playing my Super Perishing and I thought that what a good tank and it is so good to play only because of the pref mm. If it didn't had the special matchmaking it would be meh to bad. Then I was thinking that there are alot of premium tanks that are meh or bad, and buffing them can be bad because WG as we know them, they can do stupid things like over buffing or buffing useless stuff that nobody asked them to.

 

So, by adding preff mm to some tanks do you think will make them great again ? I was thinking about VK 168 01 as an example. Right now it is indeed heavy armored but slow and has a lot of weak spots that equal tiers and higher tiers can pen easly with standard pen. If they remove the weak spots then it will be another VK 100, but what if it can see max tier 9 ? against tier 6 and 7 it will be good but they can still pen some of the weak spots so the tank won't be OP against them.

 

What other tanks do you think that can be decent or even great by just giving them special mm without any modification on the specs ?



Negativvv #2 Posted 05 January 2020 - 04:37 PM

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Give all Prem tanks pref MM for full P2W? :trollface:

 

Still Pref MM is a relic from times past, I can't see new Prems getting it. Would love anything with 200 pen or so at T8 to have it but wishful thinking...



SuNo_TeSLa #3 Posted 05 January 2020 - 04:57 PM

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Of all the pref tier 8 prems i'd say T-34-3 Is the easiest to play decent, FCM 50T makes my brain melt :amazed:

 



MeNoobTank #4 Posted 05 January 2020 - 05:00 PM

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View PostSuNo_TeSLa, on 05 January 2020 - 04:57 PM, said:

Of all the pref tier 8 prems i'd say T-34-3 Is the easiest to play decent, FCM 50T makes my brain melt :amazed:

 

 

Yes, but the point was -> What regular premium tank do you feel will be good if receive preff mm ?



Gixxer66 #5 Posted 05 January 2020 - 05:23 PM

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Panther 8.8 - Either needs Pref MM or dropping down a Tier and reducing it's HP. Just like the Tiger IIC - which is fantastic at Tier 7 ( despite me not being able to win in it. )

 

tbh I'd rather see WG fix the Tech Tree tanks that are is desperate need of a buff, IS4, Tiger II, T-34-2, WZ120, 113, 121 etc


Edited by Gixxer66, 05 January 2020 - 05:26 PM.


gunslingerXXX #6 Posted 05 January 2020 - 05:42 PM

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CDC would be one. However as PMM it's probably still underpowered. 

The rare occasions you see tier 6, I pray I don't encounter the T34-85M, because it is sooo embarassing getting killed by them.



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jagtiger 8.8 realy need that and buff gold ammo too

SovietBias #8 Posted 06 January 2020 - 01:37 AM

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VK 168, P88 or AMX CDC are among the worst, and so are the best candidates. However, they might need some toning down, would you give preferential MM to then.

 

I believe the last time a tank was given preferential MM as a buff happened with AT15a, the british premium TD, which used to face tier 9's. You can guess how 'fun' it was..



1ucky #9 Posted 06 January 2020 - 01:57 AM

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It's more user-friendly / platoon-friendly if tanks of a same tier are subject to the same matchmaking rules as well.

 

#EasyRules



tajj7 #10 Posted 06 January 2020 - 11:17 AM

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The Mauerbrecker is fine, its a balanced tier 8 heavy, whereas it's tier 8 tech tree counterpart is actually the OP one. It would be OP with limited MM.

 

People forget the KV-5 performs fine despite all its weakspots, the Mauerbrecker with limited MM would be like a slower KV-5 with 440 alpha, better pen, better view range and better armour. 

 

I think tanks like the Panther 88 and CDC would still be bad with limited MM, tier 8 tanks now generally see a lot of all tier 8 games, tier 10 games are like 1 in 5 or even rarer from experience but tier 6 games are even rarer. 

 

But also WG said the limited MM tanks muck up the MM so I'd be surprised if they created more of them. 



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SP is great for 3 reasons. It has more AP pen than any tier 8 US with +2 MM. It has more gold pen than most tier 8 HT's. And it has pref MM. If it had the original 170 pen still. I doubt it would be as good tbh.

 

On the other side, you have the IS-6. It has pref MM, but depending on what it faces. Its pen is lacking, and the gold pen the same as some tier 8 HT's normal pen is with +2. And the power gap on tier 8 is rather huge, so vs a VK 100.01 etc he is useless head-on, unlike the WZ-111 that has 250 HEAT pen at least. So pref MM alone won't always fix any tank.

 

But... in the CDC's case to name one. I suspect it would.


Edited by Balc0ra, 06 January 2020 - 11:30 AM.


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View PostgunslingerXXX, on 05 January 2020 - 04:42 PM, said:

CDC would be one. However as PMM it's probably still underpowered. 

The rare occasions you see tier 6, I pray I don't encounter the T34-85M, because it is sooo embarassing getting killed by them.

Yeah when I used to meet CDC with my op machine its instant HE :) why don't ppl play it any more :(  :P



24doom24 #13 Posted 06 January 2020 - 11:48 AM

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I just see tier 9 games non stop in my SP. Waste of 7k gold. It's too slow and the majority of people know how to deal with it pretty easily nowadays. I'll probably sell it for the black market.

Stevies_Team #14 Posted 06 January 2020 - 11:49 AM

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They won't pref MM anything, they were trying to get rid of them a month or two ago

 

Panther 8.8 etc is anti German bias

 

You can get a Polish pudel panther and a French Bretagne panther at tier 6, and a Japanese T6 Tiger

 

But you won't see the German versions start until T7



aps1 #15 Posted 06 January 2020 - 11:56 AM

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Prem tanks that need a buff or prem MM

Defender, goes with out saying this tank need better reload and accuracy as currently it is unplayable

Prog, again need 1 extra shell adding with same overall reload time keeping. Up the pen to

Lt423, turrent is not bouncy enough and needs higher alpha

TS, needs higher dpm and higher speed and traverse.

E75 ts has weak spots on the side lights these need to be removed and turrent needs a buff.

Scorp, needs better camo

703/2 needs higher pen

If I think of any more I will edit this post but WG pull your fingers out and sort these unplayable tanks out

Edited by aps1, 06 January 2020 - 11:57 AM.


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View Postaps1, on 06 January 2020 - 10:56 AM, said:


Prem tanks that need a buff or prem MM

Defender, goes with out saying this tank need better reload and accuracy as currently it is unplayable

Prog, again need 1 extra shell adding with same overall reload time keeping. Up the pen to

Lt423, turrent is not bouncy enough and needs higher alpha

TS, needs higher dpm and higher speed and traverse.

E75 ts has weak spots on the side lights these need to be removed and turrent needs a buff.

Scorp, needs better camo

703/2 needs higher pen

If I think of any more I will edit this post but WG pull your fingers out and sort these unplayable tanks out


make them all OP huh ???

 



aps1 #17 Posted 06 January 2020 - 12:19 PM

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View PostTak7, on 06 January 2020 - 12:15 PM, said:


make them all OP huh ???

 


i am  guessing you struggle to understand sarcasm. 



Tak7 #18 Posted 06 January 2020 - 12:23 PM

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View Postaps1, on 06 January 2020 - 11:19 AM, said:


i am  guessing you struggle to understand sarcasm. 

 

most likely , how about you ?

 

 


Edited by Tak7, 06 January 2020 - 12:23 PM.


aps1 #19 Posted 06 January 2020 - 01:06 PM

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View PostTak7, on 06 January 2020 - 12:23 PM, said:

 

most likely , how about you ?

 

 


sarcasm is not somthing I struggle with 



MeNoobTank #20 Posted 06 January 2020 - 04:18 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 06 January 2020 - 11:29 AM, said:

SP is great for 3 reasons. It has more AP pen than any tier 8 US with +2 MM. It has more gold pen than most tier 8 HT's. And it has pref MM. If it had the original 170 pen still. I doubt it would be as good tbh.

 

On the other side, you have the IS-6. It has pref MM, but depending on what it faces. Its pen is lacking, and the gold pen the same as some tier 8 HT's normal pen is with +2. And the power gap on tier 8 is rather huge, so vs a VK 100.01 etc he is useless head-on, unlike the WZ-111 that has 250 HEAT pen at least. So pref MM alone won't always fix any tank.

 

But... in the CDC's case to name one. I suspect it would.

 

Neah, I don't have IS-6 anymore. Rage sold it 2 years ago. The tank was very bad but so I was. I think I had like 45% overall winrate at that time.

 

And that is true, I also have 112 and I enjoy it. After the buff is a pretty good tank. That 250 HEAT pen helps indeed. I still have like 6 or 8 HEAT shells in it, I try to do my best with the regular but when you meet tier 9, HEAT is a must on most cases.


Edited by MeNoobTank, 06 January 2020 - 04:21 PM.





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