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ChristOfTheAbyss #21 Posted 05 January 2020 - 08:35 PM

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View PostJocMeister, on 05 January 2020 - 08:32 PM, said:

 

4,8k DPG in the PTA. :amazed:

Had same reaction. Been managing around 3,4k and thought were doing fine... Sure shows how some just are out of this world. 



Greek_Jedi_Knight #22 Posted 05 January 2020 - 10:13 PM

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1 day after my last thread was closed, i had absolutely no problem at all, to find and upload photos of that battle with the effectiveness of those EBRS, in these photos from Redshire.

you know why it was very easy?

Cause it happen too often.

On the other hand, a 279e is rarely seen in a battle. And i will say it again, that no matter god or bad player who has it ( bad players are difficult to get it, but anyway) its penned very very easily, with both AP and gold shells. 

But EBRs are everywhere. 

A typical battle now has 3 EBRs per side. You saw the effects from their presence in the photos i uploaded.

The guy that drove that 279e and died, had 9300 personal rating. He was a "bad" player according to you, right? 

You saw in one battle the effectiveness of both EBR and 279.

I could upload more photos. What would be the difference?

You have decided not to accept the truth. Perhaps of your envy, to my ego.

Ego or not, thats me.

A beta tester, veteran of that game, with tons of medals, 260, T22, 279. Like it or not, thats the truth. And when i say something, i have very carefully weight it.

 

I said EBR is OP, 279 is not.

You said "no way".

Then i gave you proofs, one day after.

You didnt accept them and say " that 279e was a bad player"(with 9300 personal rating) or, ï was annoyed from my damage in Foch(this is really for laughs cause i dont care)

You wouldnt accept the truth not even from WG developers, if they were able to say it directly to you.

 

Ending, 2.500 years ago, there was a famous Greek comedian, names Aristofanes. In theaters worldwide, still playing his texts which were masterpieces, even for today standards.

One of the most famous moto he said was this, and goes to allll of you.

 

ου με πείσεις καν με πείσης = You will not persuade me, not even if you persuade me; I will not be convinced against my will

 

Cheers



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I picture OP running away into the sunset, shouting over his shoulder: "No! No! No-no-no!"

DangerMouse #24 Posted 05 January 2020 - 10:24 PM

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Come on any numpty can have and do drive the EBRs I imagine that most 279e are driven by unicum or blueicum players, unless they paid someone to complete those very difficult missions.

There are also way more EBRs around and you are far more likely to see them on both teams therefore WR being cancelled out, when did you last see a non Ranked game that had a 279e on both teams?

EBRs are not OP as far as WR but like arty they are a broke mechanic and for me spoil the game.



ChristOfTheAbyss #25 Posted 05 January 2020 - 10:26 PM

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View PostGreek_Jedi_Knight, on 05 January 2020 - 10:13 PM, said:

1 day after my last thread was closed, i had absolutely no problem at all, to find and upload photos of that battle with the effectiveness of those EBRS, in these photos from Redshire.

you know why it was very easy?

Cause it happen too often.

On the other hand, a 279e is rarely seen in a battle. And i will say it again, that no matter god or bad player who has it ( bad players are difficult to get it, but anyway) its penned very very easily, with both AP and gold shells. 

But EBRs are everywhere. 

A typical battle now has 3 EBRs per side. You saw the effects from their presence in the photos i uploaded.

The guy that drove that 279e and died, had 9300 personal rating. He was a "bad" player according to you, right? 

You saw in one battle the effectiveness of both EBR and 279.

I could upload more photos. What would be the difference?

You have decided not to accept the truth. Perhaps of your envy, to my ego.

Ego or not, thats me.

A beta tester, veteran of that game, with tons of medals, 260, T22, 279. Like it or not, thats the truth. And when i say something, i have very carefully weight it.

 

I said EBR is OP, 279 is not.

You said "no way".

Then i gave you proofs, one day after.

You didnt accept them and say " that 279e was a bad player"(with 9300 personal rating) or, ï was annoyed from my damage in Foch(this is really for laughs cause i dont care)

You wouldnt accept the truth not even from WG developers, if they were able to say it directly to you.

 

Ending, 2.500 years ago, there was a famous Greek comedian, names Aristofanes. In theaters worldwide, still playing his texts which were masterpieces, even for today standards.

One of the most famous moto he said was this, and goes to allll of you.

 

ου με πείσεις καν με πείσης = You will not persuade me, not even if you persuade me; I will not be convinced against my will

 

Cheers

 

You havent given any proof. Just YOUR opinions that you base on your lacking performance with 279 and which you try to prove with ONE game. 

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View PostDangerMouse, on 05 January 2020 - 10:24 PM, said:

Come on any numpty can have and do drive the EBRs I imagine that most 279e are driven by unicum or blueicum players, unless they paid someone to complete those very difficult missions.

There are also way more EBRs around and you are far more likely to see them on both teams therefore WR being cancelled out, when did you last see a non Ranked game that had a 279e on both teams?

EBRs are not OP as far as WR but like arty they are a broke mechanic and for me spoil the game.

You dont see 279s on ranked cause its not effective there. 



LethalWalou #26 Posted 05 January 2020 - 10:27 PM

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View PostGreek_Jedi_Knight, on 05 January 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

The guy that drove that 279e and died, had 9300 personal rating. He was a "bad" player according to you, right? 

You didnt accept them and say " that 279e was a bad player"(with 9300 personal rating)

 

Not a single person in this thread called the 279 player bad. Where are you getting that even? We can't even see his name as it's anonymized. He didn't even play badly and did 4257 damage, was 2nd on damage and 3rd on exp. It would be nice to see how the battle went to see how the 279 got killed by the S Conq, and at what stage and how the EBR farmed all that damage (could have been 2 ammoracks and just normal end game farming for all we know)

 

Your screenshot simply doesn't tell anything of importance and a replay would be a very helpful addition.

 

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 I could upload more photos. What would be the difference?

You have decided not to accept the truth. Perhaps of your envy, to my ego.

 

Why not upload the replay you keep teasing us with?  We don't do anything with pictures.

And sure, envy must 

 

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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 05 January 2020 - 09:26 PM, said:

 

You dont see 279s on ranked cause its not effective there. 

 

I don't find it effective even in randoms as people just run away from me and I'm too fat and slow to stay with them.. :( It's honestly so far been one of the most boring tanks to play, for me. Looks like I'm gonna skip the campaign as well, it could have been useful and enjoyable there though.


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View PostGreek_Jedi_Knight, on 05 January 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

ου με πείσεις καν με πείσης = You will not persuade me, not even if you persuade me; I will not be convinced against my will

 

Cheers

Perhaps you should take that advice as i don't think you are convincing anyone here, and no sh*t you see more ebrs than 279s when one is a tech tree tank and one is locked behind missions.



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Maybe this is the Op's 279(e) instead of the standard issue stalinium version that the others have... :trollface:

 



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View PostLethalWalou, on 05 January 2020 - 10:27 PM, said:

I don't find it effective even in randoms as people just run away from me and I'm too fat and slow to stay with them.. :( It's honestly so far been one of the most boring tanks to play, for me. Looks like I'm gonna skip the campaign as well, it could have been useful and enjoyable there though.

 

Yeah those chasing damage games do happen fairly often, which then leads me to push over aggressively which leads to mistakes and dying. 

 

Skipping campaign too. Needs new tank to make me even consider joining for the snooze fest. 



LethalWalou #30 Posted 05 January 2020 - 10:42 PM

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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 05 January 2020 - 09:34 PM, said:

Yeah those chasing damage games do happen fairly often, which then leads me to push over aggressively which leads to mistakes and dying. 

 

Skipping campaign too. Needs new tank to make me even consider joining for the snooze fest. 

 

The overaggressive pushing is what I've seen others do in the tank as well. Maybe that is what the OP is seeing and doing, coupled with the clear bias against EBRs that makes him exaggerate their effectiveness is what fueled this thread where he thinks that 279 isn't OP. I might have cracked the mystery.



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I totally agree. 279 is tier 8 bully (skorpions can actually Pen 279)

 

When you fight against super tier 10 mediums and HTs with super 330,340,350 mm heats or when fighting vs tD with any ammo, AP, Apcr, heat or HE you Drive a slow piñata with decent gun.

 

I have way more avg blocking dmg in the Maus than in 279. And I have exaclty same amount of blocking dmg in VK7201K as 279. I have never ever heard VK is OP.

 

I don't mean It is a bad tank, but 279 is usually just  a good tank. And super overpowered in a few batles, when fighting against lower tiers in small maps.

 

I don't have EBR, but I think that trash is the most OP tier 10...



Hyina #32 Posted 06 January 2020 - 12:46 AM

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The t10 EBR is broken, no doubt. Anyone who disagrees is just kidding themselves.

279 is also broken for completely different reasons. But the difference is it's a question of playing against enough to know where to pen it. As time will go on the mark req for 279 will drop slowly as the novelty wears off.

The t10 EBR will remain broken until it's nerfed. The HE changes will help a bit but not that much. The mobility AND accuracy on the move AND tracks that can absord Jag E100 shells no prob is frankly ridiculous, and renders every other T10 light in the game obsolete in almost every way.



LethalWalou #33 Posted 06 January 2020 - 01:00 AM

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View PostHyina, on 05 January 2020 - 11:46 PM, said:

tracks that can absord Jag E100 shells 

 

I guess for 153643rd time, the wheels do not absorb shells. AP, APCR and HEAT all goes through them and they merely detonate HE shells like any other external module. If you're going to complain about WVs, please don't make things up and rather argue with facts.



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View Posttajj7, on 05 January 2020 - 07:34 PM, said:

Forget that, nearly 2.7k in the Panther 88 is the real achievement there, probably one of the worst tier for tier tanks in the game right now. 

 

Honestly the weirdest part is 4.8k in PTA, 2.7k in the bloody Panther 8.8cm, 3.7k and 4.4k in 50 120/50B Respectively and then.. only 2.2k in Progetto 46. I'd honestly expect more in that tank than the Panther, though aye fair enough, larger sample size in the Progetto than Panther but still. :unsure:



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View PostGreek_Jedi_Knight, on 05 January 2020 - 10:13 PM, said:

ου με πείσεις καν με πείσης = You will not persuade me, not even if you persuade me; I will not be convinced against my will

Νηπίοισιν ου λόγος, αλλά ξυμφορή γίνεται διδάσκαλος. Για τους ανόητους, δάσκαλος δεν είναι η λογική αλλά η συμφορά.



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View PostGreek_Jedi_Knight, on 05 January 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:

I wanted to give more answers, in my previous post, but that thread went out of the point of discussion.

This time i wont speak at all, conclussions are only yours, images speak better.

I have said that 279e is NOT overpowered, can be penned easily, and with AP rounds, and none believed me.

I wanted also to show a video, which i still have.

 

I also stated that as we speak EBR is the most Overpowered tank/vehicle of this game, and here is the truth.

 

Please have a look at these images. I was with my FOCH 155 in this battle.

 

What we see here?

 

We see an 279 which barely reflect 4 or 5 shots, died easily i would say-based on the block damage-but on the other side, who have an EBR  T10, which spotted the entire team, made spot assistance damage 4,5k, while also scored 4,5 and was the TOP caliber of the battle with the highest damage.

 

Watch now this:

Not only this EBR, spotted, entire enemy team, but also was able to stay alive , scored 4500 damage( approx) spotted damage 4500(approx).

 

Now please tell me.

 

Which was the MVP of the battle?

Which scored most of the damage?

Which spotted entire enemy team?

Which assisted more in damage by spotting?

Which manage to stay alive, despite 0 armor?

 

Have a good day. 

 

 

This post is so bad. You cannot judge tanks' performance based on one battle. Most of the CCs say 279 is OP. 

I am average player but I have around 60% win rate in 279 after 100 + games, in tier 10. And I would have higher win rate if I hadn't tried to experiment foolishly different tactics with it. Let that sink for a bit. Tier 10. Yes, occasionally you can get in 279 bad rng and get penned multiple times or there are people who know very well how to shoot you or you get ammo racked. But all those things don't happen often.

 

I don't know if Chieftain or EBR should be considered more OP. But 279 is by far one of the most OP tanks in this game ever. 


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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 06 January 2020 - 12:12 AM, said:

 

Honestly the weirdest part is 4.8k in PTA, 2.7k in the bloody Panther 8.8cm, 3.7k and 4.4k in 50 120/50B Respectively and then.. only 2.2k in Progetto 46. I'd honestly expect more in that tank than the Panther, though aye fair enough, larger sample size in the Progetto than Panther but still. :unsure:

 

Maybe he is one of those players that performs better in tanks he knows is bad/average but gets overconfident in strong tanks. 



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View PostGreek_Jedi_Knight, on 05 January 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

 

A beta tester, veteran of that game, with tons of medals, 260, T22, 279. Like it or not, thats the truth. And when i say something, i have very carefully weight it.

 

See, when I see a T22 I think about all those that cheated to get it. 

 

Or they have bought the account :)


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Are you the guy that claims the 279e is not OP?:teethhappy:

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View PostGreek_Jedi_Knight, on 05 January 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

 

A beta tester, veteran of that game, with tons of medals, 260, T22, 279. Like it or not, thats the truth. And when i say something, i have very carefully weight it.

 

Oh no,  you have the T-22?

You needed some pretty good "skills" to get that tank back in the day.

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