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Justux00 #1 Posted 06 January 2020 - 06:52 PM

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What do you guys think? Seems quite mobile and rather hard hitting as a tank destroyer :)

Wonder if we are getting Japanese tank destroyers this year, or are they going to release them to Blitz only.

 

 



Nishi_Kinuyo #2 Posted 06 January 2020 - 07:54 PM

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View PostJustux00, on 06 January 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

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What do you guys think? Seems quite mobile and rather hard hitting as a tank destroyer :)

Wonder if we are getting Japanese tank destroyers this year, or are they going to release them to Blitz only.

WG stated before that they're working on them, but were delayed for PC release due to whatever reason.



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Blitz has some strange alpha values. The gun is a 150mm gun, so in WoT PC is likely to have 750 alpha. Armour layout looks meh. Almost flat 250mm casemate, nothing really impressive and another On/Off armour like the Jap HTs. 

Not impressed at all!



NekoPuffer_PPP #4 Posted 06 January 2020 - 08:07 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 06 January 2020 - 07:56 PM, said:

Blitz has some strange alpha values. The gun is a 150mm gun, so in WoT PC is likely to have 750 alpha. Armour layout looks meh. Almost flat 250mm casemate, nothing really impressive and another On/Off armour like the Jap HTs. 

Not impressed at all!

 

The lower plate looks weaker though... The armor should hold up if you hide it.



Ratriq #5 Posted 06 January 2020 - 08:25 PM

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I know this is a bit off-topic but wow, Japan truly had some weird tank concepts I must say.

leggasiini #6 Posted 06 January 2020 - 08:26 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 06 January 2020 - 08:56 PM, said:

Blitz has some strange alpha values. The gun is a 150mm gun, so in WoT PC is likely to have 750 alpha. Armour layout looks meh. Almost flat 250mm casemate, nothing really impressive and another On/Off armour like the Jap HTs. 

Not impressed at all!

E 100 has around 630-640 alpha on Blitz, so I'd expect Ho-Ri's alpha to translate into 650 alpha for PC. Armor is pretty underwhelming yea but again, Blitz is balanced differently so it sorta makes sense. MTs have a lot lower pen there, there are equipments that slightly increase the overall armor thickness and premium ammo in general is a lot worse because it deals like 30% less damage and in general is needed less, so that 250 flat armor will bounce more than one would expect. It has a weak LFP and view port weakspot, something Japanese HTs lack, but they are small and rather hard to hit, not to mention it has autobounce angles that will troll poorly aimed shots and/or bad RNG. On Blitz's environment it should actually be pretty bouncy. It also has good mobility and a really, really good gun so if it had actually strong armor too it would most likely be pretty broken, it'd basically be another Bobject that has bit worse armor but 10x better gun.

 

The gun is very good - it gets the best pen in the entire game, it also has BOTH pretty good hard stats and soft stats, something which TDs almost never have (0.34 base accuracy, 2 sec base aim time and similar movement bloom to the Bobject which is basically best in class except it gets much better bloom when traversing the gun), still hits hard and it has good DPM too. And it's not slow; goes 50 forward and 20 backwards, with 14 hp/ton that while worse than the Bobject is still reasonably decent, and it traverses a lot quicker than it.

 

It's not really a true assault vehicle by the looks of it but more a support tank. The armor is there only to bounce LTs and maybe low tiers (if it was introduced on PC, like I said it will bounce more on Blitz's environment). However, its stats could very well heavily change on PC, assuming the Japanese TD line will be released here as well. And they probably will - like I said, Blitz's meta has gone very far into it's own direction. They introduced Italian MTs recently with rather similar stats to what they have on PC, and apparently they are completely broken there because of different meta and mechanics.  The line might even be different altogether for PC, who knows.


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View PostDava_117, on 06 January 2020 - 07:56 PM, said:

Blitz has some strange alpha values. The gun is a 150mm gun, so in WoT PC is likely to have 750 alpha. Armour layout looks meh. Almost flat 250mm casemate, nothing really impressive and another On/Off armour like the Jap HTs. 

Not impressed at all!


It's a different Ferdinand.



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View PostNicoPudel04, on 06 January 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:


It's a different Ferdinand.

 

More or less what I was thinking about. Especially if it get 650 alpha as in Legga hypothesis.



ChristOfTheAbyss #9 Posted 06 January 2020 - 10:20 PM

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Looks boring tbh. No turret is a turnoff for me for sure. I doubt this line would be any popular, a bit like chinese TDs. 

Nishi_Kinuyo #10 Posted 06 January 2020 - 10:26 PM

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Tbh, there's not much to suggest that it'll get 650 other than the fact that one of the most recently introduced tier 10 TDs with a ~15cm has that.

https://tanks.gg/com...3g-ft~obj-268-5

Namely, the Obyekt 268v4, the rest are all either smaller calibre, or 750 alpha.

 

Still, if it gets the listed 5 shells per minute, then 650 alpha is far more likely due to the otherwise massive DPM it'd have (3750 dpm with 750 alpha?).

Like... not even the badger and stridsvagn get that DPM, nevermind with such alpha.

Mind you, even with 650 alpha it'd be third for DPM.



FatigueGalaxy #11 Posted 06 January 2020 - 10:54 PM

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I bet they will go Type 4/5 Heavy route and make japanese TDs similar to their heavies, instead making them somewhat interesting as they were proposed by the community.

Also, they will cut the tech-tree and release only tier 7+ because they clearly don't have manpower in research and 3D artist departments and making low tier tanks is a waste of time for WG.

Considering how much they are struggling with double-barrel tanks (they should appear at common test early December to be ready for christmas patch so they already have a month of delay - and it's only 3 tanks...) and they "recent" failure with british LTs, I think they really reduced WoT dev department after they were done with HD tanks and 1.0 update.

 

I have very low expectations. We'll get 3-4 high tier TDs and a premium (obviously) but they will do something to make them "special" because that's WG new policy when it comes to releasing tanks. Players want more tanks from their favourite nations and different armour/mobility/firepower combinations are still enough to make new tanks feel different but WG needs something for their marketing department so they can announce it as "the new big thing". We all know how british LTs turned out when WG decided to make them as "dedicated spotters"...



imperiumgraecum #12 Posted 06 January 2020 - 10:59 PM

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If WG introduce an interesting Jap TD branch, I might as well come back to the game :great:

snowlywhite #13 Posted 07 January 2020 - 04:36 AM

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wow, another casemate td line.

 

I mean, it's not enough that there are already a bazillion lines like this that are perfectly useless in high tiers; we clearly needed one more. It's not an assault td, concept which at least retains some value in high tiers. No; it's just another useless casemate td. F me; epic addition...



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It's a new tank, so that's good.

Otherwise not really exciting looking.



Gardar7 #15 Posted 07 January 2020 - 08:25 AM

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I'm excited about every new tank - except arties and wheelies. Especially if it is Japanese. So yes, I would like to see it in the game in 2020. And I think we have a good chance on that. 

 

View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 06 January 2020 - 04:54 PM, said:

WG stated before that they're working on them, but were delayed for PC release due to whatever reason.

 

They postponed it to finish Halloween event in time. :trollface:



Cobra6 #16 Posted 07 January 2020 - 08:30 AM

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A fast TD with a big gun and strong armor, what could go wrong.....

 

/me looks at Bobject.

 

A balanced tank can only have 2 out of these 3 elements to be balanced, if it has 3 it's overpowered and if it has 1 it's underpowered:

Armor - Mobility - Gun

 

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Hunt3r_Supr3m0 #17 Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:59 AM

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Remember that WG said " We will bring 3 new trees", so i think they will be the new Italian heavies, this new Japanese td and...dont know about the one last... so... ¿why not? :trollface:

undutchable80 #18 Posted 07 January 2020 - 01:02 PM

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View PostHunt3r_Supr3m0, on 07 January 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

Remember that WG said " We will bring 3 new trees", so i think they will be the new Italian heavies, this new Japanese td and...dont know about the one last... so... ¿why not? :trollface:


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Actually it looks interesting :) 380 AP for reduced dmg.. if it appears like this I might give it a go. I was never interested in Jap heavy line beyond O-I but this feels different. 

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View PostCobra6, on 07 January 2020 - 08:30 AM, said:

A fast TD with a big gun and strong armor, what could go wrong.....

 

/me looks at Bobject.

 

A balanced tank can only have 2 out of these 3 elements to be balanced, if it has 3 it's overpowered and if it has 1 it's underpowered:

Armor - Mobility - Gun

 

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They are not that fast and armour is only at the front, unless WG gives them Type 5 treatment. After all they are all based on Chi-Ri's hull. Tier 10 should get similar frontal armour to Obj. 263 with Jagdtiger's superstructure.

Also, following your logic, 268v4 is balanced because its firepower sucks compared to other tier 10 TDs or even some heavies. This is not that simple because if you get absurd levels of armour (268v4) or mobility (EBR 105), bad firepower won't balance it. Same goes to absurd levels of firepower (WT E-100) - it can't be balanced with bad armour and mobility.







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