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WindSplitter1 #41 Posted 07 January 2020 - 10:23 PM

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Don't forget about this one too.

 



xxJack75xx #42 Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:23 PM

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Hi Dudes,

 

i love this little monster i still play a lot with it ..... but the real feeling this tank can give is only with the original stats ... i have already 3 gunmark on my ELC and if it is possible to buy it "original" will be one of the first to transfer money to WG for it ;)

 



Jumping_Turtle #43 Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:28 PM

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View PostPointofView3, on 07 January 2020 - 04:32 PM, said:

 

We just want back our favorite and so unique gameplay that we lost years ago :girl:

 

Agreed. And I want my Waffle E-100 back



Pansenmann #44 Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:30 PM

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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 07 January 2020 - 11:28 PM, said:

 

Agreed. And I want my Waffle E-100 back

 

:ohmy:

 

no, we just want the ELC back, nothing more. :(



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I think what we need is the Super E75 with a 1mil gun and 25 pen with prem.

Schottenmann #46 Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:41 PM

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my comment to this idea:

 

when can i buy it......:ohmy:

 

So pls WG listen to us and give the ELC - and we will give u money....

DEAL?

 

#giveusretroELC



Jumping_Turtle #47 Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:58 PM

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View PostPansenmann, on 07 January 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

 

:ohmy:

 

no, we just want the ELC back, nothing more. :(

 

But but he said favorite tank and unique gameplay. The Waffle fits both ;)


Edited by Jumping_Turtle, 07 January 2020 - 11:59 PM.


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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 07 January 2020 - 11:58 PM, said:

 

But but he said favorite tank and unique gameplay. The Waffle fits both ;)

sure, beside AMX ELC bis, there are other tanks, that would be worth resurrected - this topic is about our beloved, prenerfed ELC bis: #giveusprenerfedELCbisback

 



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HI, will buy it . Loved to play the pre nerf stats elc bis. Count me in :)

 



Ratriq #50 Posted 08 January 2020 - 07:05 AM

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And after that, the "Super King Tiger"

Cmon, my Tiger II needs some love here too. :hiding:

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View PostRatriq, on 08 January 2020 - 07:05 AM, said:

And after that, the "Super King Tiger"

Cmon, my Tiger II needs some love here too. :hiding:


You want its old stats back and bumped up a tier? 



Ratriq #52 Posted 08 January 2020 - 07:47 AM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 08 January 2020 - 06:40 AM, said:

You want its old stats back and bumped up a tier? 

Hey, hey, let's calm down here and not talk about such vile nonsense. 



rakamaka #53 Posted 08 January 2020 - 08:10 AM

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Good idea! It used to be bit OP, but luckily it was bit obscure to play, so in most cases it was not OP. It was the kind of a tank, that a good player made OP and that is somewhat ok, i think.
I even like it as it is now, the most annoying part is, that it is a t5 and that is just bit boring. Bring it back as a tier 6 or even tier 7, that could meet only t6-t9 tanks - with old mobility, old gun. But then again, i think it would be kinda OP in right hands again. But i would really like to rack up spotting dam playing against at least t9 tanks. But i don't think, this tanks, if bought back, should ever meet t5, let alone t4 tanks then. It's mm should be really specific, only same tier and higher and even +3, not just +2.

 

edit: i think, at tier 6 -0+4 mm would even be fine for it. But t10 is bit too snap-snap-snap for it, i guess:) so maybe just -0+3.


Edited by rakamaka, 08 January 2020 - 08:30 AM.


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View PostRatriq, on 08 January 2020 - 06:05 AM, said:

And after that, the "Super King Tiger"

Cmon, my Tiger II needs some love here too. :hiding:

I agree that there is lot of tanks out there that need wework and buffs- aspecially in German tech tree. But fact is that Tiger, Tiger II doesnt have such uniqe game play as ELC.

But back to topic- look everthing is here already. Model, parameters, idea, consenqent tech line. Community is pushing money in to WGs hands. This idea realy does make perfect sense. I am not fanatic of name Super ELC, I am afraid that all tanks would have their premium super versions. But ELC is under powered right now. And getting back old stats on tier V would be unfair. But Old ELC on tier VI would be just perfect.


Edited by _TotaS_, 08 January 2020 - 08:11 AM.


rakamaka #55 Posted 08 January 2020 - 08:23 AM

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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 07 January 2020 - 10:28 PM, said:

 

Agreed. And I want my Waffle E-100 back

 

What was unique about that? The extent of it's absurdity?:)



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View Post_TotaS_, on 08 January 2020 - 07:11 AM, said:

I agree that there is lot of tanks out there that need wework and buffs- aspecially in German tech tree. But fact is that Tiger, Tiger II doesnt have such uniqe game play as ELC.

But back to topic- look everthing is here already. Model, parameters, idea, consenqent tech line. Community is pushing money in to WGs hands. This idea realy does make perfect sense. I am not fanatic of name Super ELC, I am afraid that all tanks would have their premium super versions. But ELC is under powered right now. And getting back old stats on tier V would be unfair. But Old ELC on tier VI would be just perfect.

 

I don't think it is under powered. It is just not that much fun. You can do a lot in it even now, it is just stale and especially in t5, it is just boring. And a unique tank with obscure play style has to be fun:) One might say, that play e25 then and i could understand that, but it is not ELC and that is the core of it.



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View Postrakamaka, on 08 January 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

 

I don't think it is under powered. It is just not that much fun. You can do a lot in it even now, it is just stale and especially in t5, it is just boring. And a unique tank with obscure play style has to be fun:) One might say, that play e25 then and i could understand that, but it is not ELC and that is the core of it.

I think it is under powered. Every tank in good hands can be used well. But ELC got only good cammo right now, and good alpha damage if You use one and only correct gun. But Your DPM is same as tier III FR LT. Mobility is worse than some TDs on same tier. Moust of players in ELC dies in first minutes of battle. It is not that fun as it was thats 100% true. Now it demends good team play with other ELCs in platoon to make it sense.


Edited by _TotaS_, 08 January 2020 - 10:19 AM.


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View Post_TotaS_, on 08 January 2020 - 09:17 AM, said:

I think it is under powered. Every tank in good hands can be used well. But ELC got only good cammo right now, and good alpha damage if You use one and only correct gun. But Your DPM is same as tier III FR LT. Mobility is worse than some TDs on same tier. Moust of players in ELC dies in first minutes of battle. It is not that fun as it was thats 100% true. Now it demends good team play with other ELCs in platoon to make it sense.


Most players do not matter in most cases. You can not make any assumptions based on that, other than most players are most players and no matter the tank:) For some reason, elc-s dpm never bothered me, i don't know, maybe i take that reload into account and act accordingly. To be honest, dpm does not bother me on any tank, at least i can not think of a tank, with what it does. I know, it is just me and i can understand players, to whom it is important. I personally never look at dpm value, reload - yes, alpha - yes, pen -yes, but dpm - no. I know it all combines into dpm, but i guess you get my point.

edit: by the way, every tank in good hands does not create a positive shift in win ratio curve, but in case of elc, it clearly does from certain level. Of course, overall better players in low tiers can perform even better, but still, i will stand by my statement, that elc is not under powered, for almost all players elc win rate curve is on the par or better. But that always comes down to personal views, so i am not arguing with you on this matter. We just don't think alike in that case:)


Edited by rakamaka, 08 January 2020 - 11:09 AM.


Balc0ra #59 Posted 08 January 2020 - 11:32 AM

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Considering the Super Hellcat was not the same as the old one. As the old one was killed off on super test rather fast. I would not get to hyped if WG did it. ELC was first balanced with facing tier 9's etc in mind. Like the 256 gold pen and the mobility. Thus I highly doubt WG would make it 100% the same as a tier 6. Tier 7? Prehaps.

 

 

View PostWindSplitter1, on 07 January 2020 - 10:23 PM, said:

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Don't forget about this one too.

 

 

Or the old Crusader.

 

But the Chaffee was changed due to the T37 getting his turret and gun. So most of the tank is already there. Tho ofc with a different hull. If anything they should have the 90mm Chaffe if they want to slap "super" in front of it.

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 08 January 2020 - 11:40 AM.


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As Totas said - everything is in the game - just some parameters and its ready to go :)

 






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