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MyArmorIsGolden #1 Posted 07 January 2020 - 04:49 PM

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Premium ones are superior to tech tree ones. This what game become. Literally pay2win. 

Only caernarvon is ok i guess.



Stevies_Team #2 Posted 07 January 2020 - 04:57 PM

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Russian ones are the best

_cro_magnon #3 Posted 07 January 2020 - 05:32 PM

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IS-3, Caravan, 53TP, VK100, IS-M are all good tanks. It's just that we have more T8 premiums than regular tanks these days.

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View Post_cro_magnon, on 07 January 2020 - 05:32 PM, said:

IS-3, Caravan, 53TP, VK100, IS-M are all good tanks. It's just that we have more T8 premiums than regular tanks these days.

is3 has paper hull, terrible gun handling and ism is straight up terrible.


Edited by MyArmorIsGolden, 07 January 2020 - 05:35 PM.


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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 07 January 2020 - 05:34 PM, said:

is3 has paper hull, terrible gun handling and ism is straight up terrible.

 

Get out.



RaxipIx #6 Posted 07 January 2020 - 05:37 PM

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Pretty simple to be honest. WG is a company and they like to make money, not only that they actually need to make money to keep everything running.

-i personally would  not buy something that is worse then it's tech tree counterpart. Running with prem time credits just pile up. Don't really need any more crew training either with all the girls from missions and and crew books.



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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 07 January 2020 - 04:34 PM, said:

is3 has paper hull, terrible gun handling and ism is straight up terrible.

 

U wut, m8?



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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 07 January 2020 - 05:34 PM, said:

is3 has paper hull, terrible gun handling and ism is straight up terrible.

 

Paper hull yes. The rest no.

 

IS-3 is still a great tank. Not as strong as it was 5 years ago but its still damn nice. 



pecopad #9 Posted 07 January 2020 - 06:18 PM

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P44 is a good tank, VK is a good tank, rhm is a good tank, Jpanther II, Ferdinand, Wz 132, AMX AC, O-HO, 53 TP, EMIL, UDES, Caenarvon, T28, IS3...

 

There are many good tanks in tech trees...


Edited by pecopad, 07 January 2020 - 06:19 PM.


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VK4502A, VK100 (This is even OP), 53TP, IS-3, IS-M, Emil, Caernarvon are all excellent heavy tanks. You can find trash among premiums too, like IS-6, VK168, 112, WZ-111, etc. 

StronkiTonki #11 Posted 07 January 2020 - 08:44 PM

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I actually mostly agree with OP.

I would actually say that *most* tech tree heavies have a premium that is a lot better.

 

I'd definitely say that the VK 100.01 is better than the VK 16 Mauerbrecher thing. Since the prem has weakspots on the  hull and a weak cupola.

The VK 100.01 has no such thing. It does have a cupola that pretty much doesn't serve as a weakspot cause of it's thickness.

 

IS-M was pretty enjoyable, and of course the Caernarvon is still good. (I still think the Caernarvon was the best T8 tech tree heavy before it got buffed)

But:

Defender and IS-3A are still better choices over any T8 tech tree Russians.

Patriot is better than the T32 without any doubt. I'd even argue that the T34 is still better than the T32.

Liberté is better than the AMX 65T.

Somua SM i'd play any day over a 50 100, and you could even still grab a Lorraine if you really want the playstyle of the 50 100, even though it's technically a medium.

Caernarvon AX is still a beast, not really compared it to the normal Caernarvon, but I know it's definitely great. So probably at least equal, if not better.

E-75TS, VK 75 and the Löwe beats the Tiger II and VK 45 any day.

The Polish and Swedish heavies seemed pretty equal to eachother.

 

OP's point is not that there are not any good tech tree tanks at all.

The general point that OP is trying to make is that there's almost always a premium tank alternative that will most likely perform equal or even better than a tech tree tank.

 

And I think it's a valid point, and it does make the game pay to win.

I'd even argue that it's not only heavies affected by this, but also other classes.

Look at the T-432, Skorpions, SU-130PM, STRV S1 and plenty of other premiums that pretty much are equal or better.

 

Again, not literally every premium is better than literally every tech tree tank.

But in the general sense, in GENERAL, premium tanks are just better.



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View PostStronkiTonki, on 07 January 2020 - 07:44 PM, said:

I'd definitely say that the VK 100.01 is better than the VK 16 Mauerbrecher thing. Since the prem has weakspots on the  hull and a weak cupola.

The VK 100.01 has no such thing. It does have a cupola that pretty much doesn't serve as a weakspot cause of it's thickness.

 

 

I don't agree

The Mauerbrecher has much better soft stats than the 100 and few people in randoms know its weak spots.


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 07 January 2020 - 08:50 PM.


LZ_Mordan #13 Posted 07 January 2020 - 08:56 PM

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View PostStronkiTonki, on 07 January 2020 - 07:44 PM, said:

I actually mostly agree with OP.

I would actually say that *most* tech tree heavies have a premium that is a lot better.

 

I'd definitely say that the VK 100.01 is better than the VK 16 Mauerbrecher thing. Since the prem has weakspots on the  hull and a weak cupola.

The VK 100.01 has no such thing. It does have a cupola that pretty much doesn't serve as a weakspot cause of it's thickness.

 

IS-M was pretty enjoyable, and of course the Caernarvon is still good. (I still think the Caernarvon was the best T8 tech tree heavy before it got buffed)

But:

Defender and IS-3A are still better choices over any T8 tech tree Russians.

Patriot is better than the T32 without any doubt. I'd even argue that the T34 is still better than the T32.

Liberté is better than the AMX 65T.

Somua SM i'd play any day over a 50 100, and you could even still grab a Lorraine if you really want the playstyle of the 50 100, even though it's technically a medium.

Caernarvon AX is still a beast, not really compared it to the normal Caernarvon, but I know it's definitely great. So probably at least equal, if not better.

E-75TS, VK 75 and the Löwe beats the Tiger II and VK 45 any day.

The Polish and Swedish heavies seemed pretty equal to eachother.

 

OP's point is not that there are not any good tech tree tanks at all.

The general point that OP is trying to make is that there's almost always a premium tank alternative that will most likely perform equal or even better than a tech tree tank.

 

And I think it's a valid point, and it does make the game pay to win.

I'd even argue that it's not only heavies affected by this, but also other classes.

Look at the T-432, Skorpions, SU-130PM, STRV S1 and plenty of other premiums that pretty much are equal or better.

 

Again, not literally every premium is better than literally every tech tree tank.

But in the general sense, in GENERAL, premium tanks are just better.

 

T8 matches are just Premium OP tank feasts.

 

boring.............



ChristOfTheAbyss #14 Posted 07 January 2020 - 09:10 PM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 07 January 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

 

I don't agree

The Mauerbrecher has much better soft stats than the 100 and few people in randoms know its weak spots.


I doubt there's anyone at t8 not knowing that cupola and lower plate are weak.



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View PostStronkiTonki, on 07 January 2020 - 07:44 PM, said:

Caernarvon AX is still a beast, not really compared it to the normal Caernarvon, but I know it's definitely great. So probably at least equal, if not better.

 

I find the AX really poor compared to the tech tree version. Lower alpha and far worse armour don't help it. 



Nethraniel #16 Posted 07 January 2020 - 09:36 PM

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Honorable mention, the 110 can perform surprisingly good with that T-10 turret.

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IS-3 paper hull? Wut. What would the hull armor of medium tanks be, or light tanks, or vehicles like rhm-borsig?

MeNoobTank #18 Posted 07 January 2020 - 09:56 PM

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Is-3 has pretty strong armor on the hull. If it was paper thin then every tier 6 could pen, but the armor on IS-3 bounce like almost all tier 6 and 7 tanks and almost any T8 that has less than 190 - 200 pen so that is not paper at all.

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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 07 January 2020 - 04:34 PM, said:

is3 has paper hull, terrible gun handling and ism is straight up terrible.

cmon bro. Your WR is over 50% in 10k games, you should know better. The IS-M can over angle so much and still be impenetrable, just look at its tanks gg armour profile.


Edited by 24doom24, 07 January 2020 - 10:59 PM.


1ucky #20 Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:02 PM

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Come on now, the prems simply get more play time cause they're making credits (+ bonus crew XP), you know that as well as I do, and everyone else.






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