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Kalonianhydra #1 Posted 11 January 2020 - 12:29 AM

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It was a long time ago they talked about changing "gold" ammo, or special ammo that WG wants to call it now days.

But nothing has happened.

 

And now they are talking about changing HE, the one ammo type that doesn't need to be changed (except for artys that is).

 

I think WG is only out to make money, but at the moment the are acting desperately. Change all other ammo and spitting out over powered premiums.

They need to make the game fun again.



AngelofAwe #2 Posted 11 January 2020 - 12:33 AM

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Yeah nerfing premium ammo sure would make the game fun. I can imagine my joy meeting a 279e

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View PostAngelofAwe, on 10 January 2020 - 11:33 PM, said:

Yeah nerfing premium ammo sure would make the game fun. I can imagine my joy meeting a 279e

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Not a problem, get it's side or rear. Like a lot of other tanks.

But in all fairness, The 279e and the British OP tank needs to be nerfed, a lot.
The re balancing in this game is a desperate need.



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View PostKalonianhydra, on 11 January 2020 - 01:40 AM, said:

Not a problem, get it's side or rear. 


You may be playing a different game from the rest of us. 



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I have at least 5 APCR in all tanks, and I never use APCR. And I make damage in all tanks. But I like use HE in my grille, I only use the normal ammo AP and HE

 



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View PostKalonianhydra, on 11 January 2020 - 12:40 AM, said:

Not a problem, get it's side or rear. Like a lot of other tanks.

 

Tell that to the IS-6  or T32 facing a VK 100.01 or a Type 4 in a corridor. Flanking is not always a luxury you have. And tbh... the planned gold ammo change will just trade one issue for another. As then the IS-6 you rely on to hold the flank has 1400 DPM vs the VK 100.01 to even have a 40% chance to damage it.

 

Gold ammo rework won't fix the power gaps already in the game. And most here fear it will just send power the wrong way.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 11 January 2020 - 12:30 AM, said:

 

Tell that to the IS-6  or T32 facing a VK 100.01 or a Type 4 in a corridor. Flanking is not always a luxury you have. And tbh... the planned gold ammo change will just trade one issue for another. As then the IS-6 you rely on to hold the flank has 1400 DPM vs the VK 100.01 to even have a 40% chance to damage it.

 

Gold ammo rework won't fix the power gaps already in the game. And most here fear it will just send power the wrong way.

 

Yeah they need to balance armor with prem ammo. I dont like VK 100.01 (still dont have big gun and engine and it is slow for my taste) but i was top tier in Malinovka,climbed the hill and it was like god mod Vs lower tiers. It was a fast game and i ended with 4k dmg/4k spot and multiple times the HP blocked.Ding ding ding...If they gonna nerf prem ammo they have to nerf armor,add weakspots etc.

 

They will just lower the dmg of prem ammo, so players waste more credits pressing the 2 key.Typical WG and their balance :trollface:.


Edited by apaleytos, 11 January 2020 - 02:43 AM.


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View Postapaleytos, on 11 January 2020 - 01:41 AM, said:

They will just lower the dmg of prem ammo, so players waste more credits pressing the 2 key.Typical WG and their balance :trollface:.

To be fair, it does punish gold-spam, now you actually have to think when to use gold since your DPM will suffer otherwise and trading shots while firing gold might get you killed cause of that.

It does bring other issues though, especially with tanks that have so bad base pen that they have to rely on gold. So, still unsure how good this change will be, while it'll fix one issue to a degree, it will also worsen other ones.



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View PostRatriq, on 11 January 2020 - 04:04 AM, said:

To be fair, it does punish gold-spam, now you actually have to think when to use gold since your DPM will suffer otherwise and trading shots while firing gold might get you killed cause of that.

 

No it doesn't, if you can't pen the tank you're facing with standard then you still have to load the gold, it'll just mean you have to fire a couple extra shells to achieve the exact same result as before. If you can pen the tank you're facing with standard then you never needed to fire gold anyway so it still makes no difference. 



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 11 January 2020 - 08:21 AM, said:

 

No it doesn't, if you can't pen the tank you're facing with standard then you still have to load the gold, it'll just mean you have to fire a couple extra shells to achieve the exact same result as before. If you can pen the tank you're facing with standard then you never needed to fire gold anyway so it still makes no difference. 

what about the easy pen advantage of the gold ammo? Like AP can't go through the tier 9 conqueror 152mm sloped front armor and you have to aim its lower plate to pen it. However if you pay extra to wargaming you can auto aim and pen its strongest hull armor. They need to do something about this. 



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View Post1LH4N, on 11 January 2020 - 09:05 AM, said:

what about the easy pen advantage of the gold ammo? Like AP can't go through the tier 9 conqueror 152mm sloped front armor and you have to aim its lower plate to pen it. However if you pay extra to wargaming you can auto aim and pen its strongest hull armor. They need to do something about this. 

 

If you can't do anything to it with AP then what do you plan to do if not fire gold? Are you just going to sit there and stare at each other from behind your rock for 10 minutes? That doesn't sound like particularly fun and dynamic game play. 



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View Post1LH4N, on 11 January 2020 - 08:05 AM, said:

what about the easy pen advantage of the gold ammo? Like AP can't go through the tier 9 conqueror 152mm sloped front armor and you have to aim its lower plate to pen it. However if you pay extra to wargaming you can auto aim and pen its strongest hull armor. They need to do something about this. 

 

To be fair, the upper front glacis of the Conqueror isn't really it's strongest armour, it's the turret front. The Conq can fairly reliably go through it's own front according to tanks.gg (I'd prefer to talk about experience, but in experience I don't really shoot it anyway.. so.. :unsure:). Not to say Gold ammo isn't a problem though.



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Yeah if gold nerfed/removed then people will need to think, to find a new way to shoot ... thats the biggest fear 

 

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They are not going to nerf the gold ammo, they're going to buff the standard ammo further ensuring that matches will progress even faster instead of slower.

 

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 11 January 2020 - 09:34 AM, said:

 

If you can't do anything to it with AP then what do you plan to do if not fire gold? Are you just going to sit there and stare at each other from behind your rock for 10 minutes? That doesn't sound like particularly fun and dynamic game play. 

i use standard ammo %99 of the time and i dont have issue about "stare at each other" thing %90 of the time. That only happens when there is overpowered tanks like 279-Chieftain. I usually ignore tier 10 because of that and play Tier 8 and Tier 9 most of the time.There are many Tier 10 tanks with no weakspot on turret they can easly go hulldown and stay invincible against standard ammo. Like Super Conqueror turret cupola having extreme angle you need HEAT to pen it - Object 430U with 300mm+ cupolas - Badger that hiding its lower plate. Why even bother with Tier 10 when there is many tanks with no weakspot at all. However Tier 9 and below tanks got weakspots on everywhere. (except for Object 705 turret, it doesnt have any weakspot and it needs one. Even Type 4 Heavy got weakspots you can easly pen with standard ammo.) 

There is like 2 biggest issue for me in the game. First one is tanks with no weakspot/super armor like object 279 and also unfair advantage of gold ammo that makes standard ammo irrelevant. Btw Im not defending new ammo balances but something definetly needs to be done about gold ammo. Wargaming also having issues with new ammo balance for sure otherwise ammo balance would have happened like months ago. 

 

View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 11 January 2020 - 09:34 AM, said:

 

To be fair, the upper front glacis of the Conqueror isn't really it's strongest armour, it's the turret front. The Conq can fairly reliably go through it's own front according to tanks.gg (I'd prefer to talk about experience, but in experience I don't really shoot it anyway.. so.. :unsure:). Not to say Gold ammo isn't a problem though.

I said hull armor so its the strongest hull armor of the Conqueror. Tbh Tier 9 conqueror is way more balanced compared to Tier 10. You can actually win against Tier 9 with Standard ammo however you can't if its Super conqueror and you need HEAT to pen its cupola. Also Tier 9 Conqueror got few parts on its turret mantlet which is around 210mm to 260-270mm effective armor. You can check that on Tanksgg, I got penned from mantlet many times when i tried to hull down with T9 conqueror.

 

edit:  i forgot to mention Emil 2, it doesnt have weakspot on turret either


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View Postshikaka9, on 11 January 2020 - 08:46 AM, said:

Yeah if gold nerfed/removed then people will need to think, to find a new way to shoot ... thats the biggest fear 

 

:ohmy:

Agree, its been a real eye opener playing Tier II & III for the Tank Rewards missions with the number of Gold spamming tanks (and I don't mean just the Pz IIJ and French captured Heavies), how as a new player (excluding rerolls) enjoy playing?

 

 



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I would say that game should benefit greatly from a complete shell system revise, not just HE or just gold.

Which is why i don't really understand why WG rushes with HE rebalance - imo they should had tied it to ammo rework just how they did it with IS-4 and E100 rebalance.


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View Postapaleytos, on 11 January 2020 - 02:41 AM, said:

 

Yeah they need to balance armor with prem ammo. I dont like VK 100.01 (still dont have big gun and engine and it is slow for my taste) but i was top tier in Malinovka,climbed the hill and it was like god mod Vs lower tiers. It was a fast game and i ended with 4k dmg/4k spot and multiple times the HP blocked.Ding ding ding...If they gonna nerf prem ammo they have to nerf armor,add weakspots etc.

 

That or they need to balance the normal pen more. Pref MM or not, when some have tier 7 guns, and the pen gap on the worst and best tier 8 HT gun is 68 pen. It says something. T26E4 go went from 170, to 202 pen over several buffs to "do his role". But the IS-6 did not need 200+ pen for his role vs 220 effective tier 8 armor. As atm, sub 212 pen on tier 8 HT's should not be a thing with all the armor added of late. As if they remain as is, if they go for the damage reduction on gold. It will reflect on their performance on most maps I suspect. As again... flanking is not always a luxury you have.



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gold ammo not need nerf bc already this ammo a problem. cant hit from track, cant pass walls... these already big problems when using gold ammo

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I personally think that this rebalancing wil make Russian tanks even stronger, how?

Imagine yourself facing 279e, or IS 7 that is hull down, or facing a bobject v4 and etc. 

Some may say "but Maus? Type 5 and" don't, just don't. Yesterday I fired at a 430's side with 246 mm and I just tracked it! And once I fired without aiming at a Maus, with 221mm (pantera) and I penetrated it from front....






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