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darko1601 #1 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:22 PM

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Past few months there is new trend in wot, people drown themself if they dont like the team they get in or if they see they will lose, specialy arty players so you should get banned for that actions just like deserting.
 

LethalWalou #2 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:25 PM

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I agree that they should be banned for a short period of time. Have you tested to send the replay through customer support? The in game reporting has a higher threshold due to past problems with players abusing it. I would like to hear what they do to players drowning on purpose in PS. Also, make sure that it wasn't accidental cause I see those quite often, and I've been one of those a few times when trying something cheeky.

shikaka9 #3 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:28 PM

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No, it is not forbidden or against the rules 

 

BUT

 

More drowning = More angry people = More chances WG do something about it 

 

so 

 

Leave it as it is, and...

 



Bulldog_Drummond #4 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:28 PM

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View Postdarko1601, on 11 January 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

Past few months there is new trend in wot, people drown themself if they dont like the team they get in or if they see they will lose, specialy arty players so you should get banned for that actions just like deserting.
 

 

I'd give people a bit of leeway on that

When I was learning the game I would accidentally drown myself sometimes

Trying to send a message while moving is a classic newbie way to end up in the drink

And it would seem harsh for those bumped into the water by friendlies, which does happen



NekoPuffer_PPP #5 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:30 PM

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It's easy to drown by accident if you get a lagspike, happened once to me when I was new to the game and my internet was bad. I see your point and I agree, but it wouldn't be fair for some.

BrinklyWollox #6 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:32 PM

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View Postdarko1601, on 11 January 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

Past few months there is new trend in wot, people drown themself if they dont like ...

 

New trend? Have you suffered a catastrophic brain injury that caused severe amnesia or have you recently bought that account? :amazed:

 

It's been happening at least since I started playing and I suspect long before that. While I agree that tougher sanctions should be applied in certain cases, identifying those cases is much more difficult than a blanket approach.



darko1601 #7 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:33 PM

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thats why they could get ingame something like you have 2-3 drowns per day, then you get banned for 1 hour, if you continue to do that you get ban for few hours or a day

mpf1959 #8 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:33 PM

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I have over time slipped in accidentally and drowned, on Fjords, Malinovka, and Erlenberg to name but a few, thank god WG have a more moderate policy than the one being advocated.

darko1601 #9 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:35 PM

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View PostBrinklyWollox, on 11 January 2020 - 01:32 PM, said:

 

New trend? Have you suffered a catastrophic brain injury that caused severe amnesia or have you recently bought that account? :amazed:

 

It's been happening at least since I started playing and I suspect long before that. While I agree that tougher sanctions should be applied in certain cases, identifying those cases is much more difficult than a blanket approach.

dude I am playing this since 2013 and past few months or a year I saw this happening every few battles, its wasnt like this before, not this often



BrinklyWollox #10 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:38 PM

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View Postdarko1601, on 11 January 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

dude I am playing this since 2013 and past few months or a year I saw this happening every few battles, its wasnt like this before, not this often

 

Then you've had very different teams to the ones I've had. I guess they looked at me on their team and decided it wasn't worth playing that battle. :(

 

Which raises the question of why you're now seeing it more often when I haven't noticed any shift ... :hiding:



darko1601 #11 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:40 PM

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View PostBrinklyWollox, on 11 January 2020 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

Then you've had very different teams to the ones I've had. I guess they looked at me on their team and decided it wasn't worth playing that battle. :(

 

Which raises the question of why you're now seeing it more often when I haven't noticed any shift ... :hiding:

I have noticed thats specialy with arty players, they focus you whole game, and when you need to kill them, get your satisfaction, they drown, that is really frustrating



Bulldog_Drummond #12 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:42 PM

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View Postdarko1601, on 11 January 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

dude I am playing this since 2013 and past few months or a year I saw this happening every few battles, its wasnt like this before, not this often

 

I saw it happen a lot a few years ago when xvm set its idiotic game win predictor to standard

The game was full of morons then posting "30% chance to win - I'm out of here" etc

Since then it's been rare in my games


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 11 January 2020 - 02:42 PM.


Gremlin182 #13 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:43 PM

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This is not something new its been going on for a long time.

Best for me was seeing an E100 on my team deliberately drive into a lake and drown right at the start.

I suppose it is just possible for a player to start driving forward then lose a connection or keyboard and just roll into the lake by accident.

Its extremely unlikely but could happen.

 

Suppose its deliberate you want to ban that player ok

Suppose I don't like the matchup and instead of drowning myself I drive straight at the enemy and "accidentally" get killed.

Its the same thing do I get a ban ?

What if I make it slightly harder play for a minute but just badly enough to get killed do I get a ban then ?

You would be asking the game to decide if I suicided or am just not that good at the game.

 

If a player wants out of the game there are plenty of ways to make it happen in the first minute or so and little anyone can do about it.

There is NO way for the game to determine what the intent of the player was thats why accidental ff shootings are punished the same as deliberate acts.

I suspect the game notes how often a player does suspicious things and acts accordingly thats the only way an automated system can work.

He drowned once in 100 games thats one thing he drowned 10 times this week lets take a closer look maybe send a warning.



darko1601 #14 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:48 PM

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In that game review I had like 9 drownings WHOLE YEAR, and 90% of them are like enemy tanks pushing me into water. So they have instruments to see what are people doing and they should stop this. Getting killed in first minute its just being you playing like a bot, but drowning yourself every 2-3 games is worth of a ban

Balc0ra #15 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:52 PM

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View Postdarko1601, on 11 January 2020 - 02:35 PM, said:

dude I am playing this since 2013 and past few months or a year I saw this happening every few battles, its wasnt like this before, not this often

 

It's always been the same, and always been around. I can't say it's "spiked" of late. Tho when patch 8.0 did arrive, the hidden borders around the water was removed. And arty drowned more or less every game. It became so bad they added a system to reduce it. As it was a huge issue with 3-4 enemy tanks pr game. As there was no penalty for it.

 

So WG had to add a system for it. So drown yourself a few games in a row if you don't believe me... Then you might notice the same system as leaving early starts rewarding you zero XP after a bit. That's a sign that they have done if often of late. As I've seen arty get a handful of times. 

 

View Postdarko1601, on 11 January 2020 - 02:33 PM, said:

thats why they could get ingame something like you have 2-3 drowns per day

 

2-3 pr day is a fair bit tbh if you don't play for long. IIRC the current system is not on a daily basis. But goes on a ratio like team damage did. So it can stick for days before it's "reset". Tho... that's also just it. When you see one do it. You have zero idea if he has done it 3 times that day already, or if it's the first time in weeks.


Edited by Balc0ra, 11 January 2020 - 02:52 PM.


BrinklyWollox #16 Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:53 PM

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View Postdarko1601, on 11 January 2020 - 01:40 PM, said:

I have noticed thats specialy with arty players, they focus you whole game, and when you need to kill them, get your satisfaction, they drown, that is really frustrating

 

Ah, there's the difference, I'm usually back in the garage before that point. :D

 

If it helps, whenever I play arty I stay on the field to the end. I'd rather fire a last shot and put my gun up during the reload than act like a spoilt child and deny anyone a small amount of damage and xp. Last time I drowned playing arty was over a year ago on Glacier. I was looking for a new angle to fire from and didn't realise the ground wasn't ice everywhere. :facepalm:



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View Postdarko1601, on 11 January 2020 - 02:40 PM, said:

I have noticed thats specialy with arty players, they focus you whole game, and when you need to kill them, get your satisfaction, they drown, that is really frustrating

 

But in any game isn't the whole aim of the opposition to frustrate you and deny you satisfaction ?

Maybe by suiciding (whether drowning, driving off cliffs or shooting against a wall) they are doing what they believe is the proper thing to do ?

And my personal observations are that people focus on Arty players too much with this issue...
When it happens at the beginning of games and it's no more often Arty than any other type, and at the end of the game it is more often arty - but then they are most often the last vehicles left on the losing team so only they can do it

 



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You have an accident and accidentally drown.  Do you want to be banned?

 

This very simple question shows the problem with your position. 

 

Submit a replay with a video if you think it is a real issue.

 

Full repair and 50%  crew XP seems penalty enough to me.


Edited by malachi6, 11 January 2020 - 03:47 PM.


BrinklyWollox #19 Posted 11 January 2020 - 03:35 PM

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View PostSirebellus, on 11 January 2020 - 02:11 PM, said:

But in any game isn't the whole aim of the opposition to frustrate you and deny you satisfaction ?

 

If that's the case, I'd like to put on record that I find being shot at by enemies extremely satisfying because it means I'm doing my job right. :great:

 

 

 

 

That should do it, can't wait to see my stats turn purple. :D



Schepel #20 Posted 11 January 2020 - 03:41 PM

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I have seen people drown at the start a bit more often as of late. Not sure why, though. Could be it is a new form of trolling? At any rate, it doesn't happen THAT often. No need to send everybody to the Gulag just yet.




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