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What would you like to see buffed on the E-100?

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chri105n #1 Posted 12 January 2020 - 06:48 PM

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As you all know WG announced at the start of 2019 that they had intentions of buffing several under-performing tanks during last year. However two of the tanks listed did not receive any buffs at all. The E-100 and the IS-4. Today we'll be discussing the E-100.

Since there has been no news regarding how WG are planning to buff the E-100 I though that we as a community might give WG some good ideas as to how we want it changed.

Personally I think the E-100 is so close to being balanced if not for the unusable turret armor against premium ammunition and the pretty sluggish feeling gun.

I have two ways of buffing the turret that I think would solve the main issue: 1) flat buff to the turret front from 250mm to 270mm resulting in an effective 297mm armor against AP, 305mm against APCR and 311mm against heat when shooting it from the front (Turret has an assumed angle of 30 degrees). 2) 10mm heat shielding at the front and sides of the turret, similar to the S. Conq, but more in the style of the Pz. IV S side skirts. This would not provide any supstantial protection increase against AP and APCR but would help against the 340mm HEAT spam as well as HE spamming.

In regards to the sluggish feeling gun, I'd just like some more shell velocity, maybe up to 950 m/s. I suspect many people would like yet another pen buff to the AP rounds, but I don't really see that as necessary.

 

What are your thoughts on the E-100?

 



_cro_magnon #2 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:01 PM

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BUFF TURRET MAKE ALL TANKS HULL DOWN GODS

Balc0ra #3 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:09 PM

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Turret front is flat, so it needs to be buffed a fair bit to be effective vs the 330 and 350 HEAT he sees tbh.

nc30_guy #4 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:19 PM

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I would like to see nerfs to stuff not buffs the constant spiral of power creep makes nothing great fun.

undutchable80 #5 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:27 PM

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So, from your post, am I right in my assumption that the turret armour is too strong for regular ammo, but cheese for premium ammo? So lets buff the turret so it's more effective against premium ammo?

 

Isn't that fighting the symptom in stead of the disease?  



chri105n #6 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:31 PM

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View Postundutchable80, on 12 January 2020 - 06:27 PM, said:

So, from your post, am I right in my assumption that the turret armour is too strong for regular ammo, but cheese for premium ammo? So lets buff the turret so it's more effective against premium ammo?

 

Isn't that fighting the symptom in stead of the disease?  

That is correct. You could instead nerf premium ammunition, but since it looks like WG would rather buff everything else in the game instead of nerfing premium ammo, I don't see a way to cure the disease. Instead we might as well come up with buffs that are healthy for the game.

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View Post_cro_magnon, on 12 January 2020 - 06:01 PM, said:

BUFF TURRET MAKE ALL TANKS HULL DOWN GODS

Very productive. I don't want the E-100 to be a hull down god. I'd just like to be able to side scrape and not get penned while perfectly angling the turret since even while perfectly angling the turret it is still very easy to penetrate using premium ammunition.



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Oh great more people wanting crazy armored tanks to get even stronger armor. Soon heavies will just ding each other for 15 minutes and it ends in a draw. 

Spurtung #8 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:52 PM

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View Postundutchable80, on 12 January 2020 - 06:27 PM, said:

So, from your post, am I right in my assumption that the turret armour is too strong for regular ammo, but cheese for premium ammo? So lets buff the turret so it's more effective against premium ammo?

 

Isn't that fighting the symptom in stead of the disease?  

 

Not really. I'm ok with getting weakspots. As it is, the whole turret is cheese to premium. A huge [edited]panel.



StronkiTonki #9 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:55 PM

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It doesn't need a buff.

Other tanks, and prem ammo, just need nerfs.



shikaka9 #10 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:56 PM

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Nothing.

 

I'm gonna win this. :trollface:



UrQuan #11 Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:57 PM

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Have you tried angling the E100 turret? Gives it a high resistance against those 330 pen HEAT shells. Giving it that much frontal turret armor is just going to kill the game. A heavily armored tank, with big alpha that can't be hurt by normal shells? Dang... Note, due to the E-100 turret slope, giving it 270mm armor frontally emans that even TD's like JPE 100 will need to load prem just to pen it. And they are designed to destroy (heavy) tanks...

 

Seriously folks, if you drive a boxy armored tank: Drive it angled.... Depending on your side armor, the angle can vary, but never make it easy for the enemy!

 

Imo, WG delaying the rebalanc for E100 & IS-4 till after shell rebalance is a good thing. Both tanks got good armor versus standard shells & the rebalance, depending on how it goes, can make a big difference to these tanks.



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View PostUrQuan, on 12 January 2020 - 06:57 PM, said:

Have you tried angling the E100 turret? Gives it a high resistance against those 330 pen HEAT shells. Giving it that much frontal turret armor is just going to kill the game. A heavily armored tank, with big alpha that can't be hurt by normal shells? Dang... Note, due to the E-100 turret slope, giving it 270mm armor frontally emans that even TD's like JPE 100 will need to load prem just to pen it. And they are designed to destroy (heavy) tanks...

 

Seriously folks, if you drive a boxy armored tank: Drive it angled.... Depending on your side armor, the angle can vary, but never make it easy for the enemy!

 

Imo, WG delaying the rebalanc for E100 & IS-4 till after shell rebalance is a good thing. Both tanks got good armor versus standard shells & the rebalance, depending on how it goes, can make a big difference to these tanks.

 

At some point you'll want to shoot that big boom stick of yours, no?

I mean, sure, some idiot will shoot at it angled, but others will just wait for that billboard to show and then spam it.

 

Now, where does the IS-7 need to even move the turret to protect itself AND still keep shooting? Because in all truth, that's the real issue, some tanks have way less downsides while still being a smaller and better protected target.



barison1 #13 Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:09 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 12 January 2020 - 08:01 PM, said:

 

At some point you'll want to shoot that big boom stick of yours, no?

I mean, sure, some idiot will shoot at it angled, but others will just wait for that billboard to show and then spam it.

 

Now, where does the IS-7 need to even move the turret to protect itself AND still keep shooting? Because in all truth, that's the real issue, some tanks have way less downsides while still being a smaller and better protected target.

is7 cant sidescrape much due to the pikenose getting pretty weak, while e100 has an amazing side to sidescrape. besides is7 has pretty mhe gun handling and trashy apcr, e100 has way better handling and solid heat pen, better hp by 300 aswell so its not like is7 has way less downsides than e100

 

funny enough e100 does better than is7 on monthly rankings for blocked dmg, so figure

 

 

 

 

anyways i would say buff e100 AP pen by bit, improve turret side armor to 170mm and higher shell velocity to 900ms. angle turret and yer fine but not turning into 0 skill hulldown plays as OP is suggesting


Edited by barison1, 12 January 2020 - 08:13 PM.


UrQuan #14 Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:21 PM

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View Postbarison1, on 12 January 2020 - 08:09 PM, said:

 

 

anyways i would say buff e100 AP pen by bit, improve turret side armor to 170mm and higher shell velocity to 900ms. angle turret and yer fine but not turning into 0 skill hulldown plays as OP is suggesting

 

This is indeed a more sensible suggestion, buffing the side armor helps with angling the turret, without making it too tough to pen frontally. Buffing AP is okay as well imo, as the average armor & pen has gone up at TX & so no issue seeing it upped. I would adjust the pen values of its shell to be slightly above the polish 60TP, so you get a trade-off between these two high alpha tanks. Better pen, but need to angle turret to get most out the armor.

And yus, up that shell velocity, it is rather slow on the E-100.

 

Note that if people are wait for your turret to de-angle, they are not shooting anyone else either. This also blocks damage for your team, just not the one reflected on your damage blocked indicator.



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View PostUrQuan, on 12 January 2020 - 07:57 PM, said:

Have you tried angling the E100 turret? Gives it a high resistance against those 330 pen HEAT shells. Giving it that much frontal turret armor is just going to kill the game. A heavily armored tank, with big alpha that can't be hurt by normal shells? Dang... Note, due to the E-100 turret slope, giving it 270mm armor frontally emans that even TD's like JPE 100 will need to load prem just to pen it. And they are designed to destroy (heavy) tanks...

 

Seriously folks, if you drive a boxy armored tank: Drive it angled.... Depending on your side armor, the angle can vary, but never make it easy for the enemy!

 

Imo, WG delaying the rebalanc for E100 & IS-4 till after shell rebalance is a good thing. Both tanks got good armor versus standard shells & the rebalance, depending on how it goes, can make a big difference to these tanks.

E-100 is just a giant piñata in 2020. I have experience playing E100 and playing against them. Russian tanks have FU armor, speed of medium tanks and still strong guns. E-100 just ain't Russian.



murn123 #16 Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:39 PM

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Maybe dpm... give it 2700 dpm. That should make the tank scary. 

ChristOfTheAbyss #17 Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:50 PM

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Nothing, its already balanced. And it will get buffed in ammo rework like every armoured tank. So again, it needs nothing buffed.

Alzamon #18 Posted 12 January 2020 - 11:28 PM

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Give it spaced armor in the front, so those heat spamming cucks gets fucked.

strezahuzum #19 Posted 13 January 2020 - 12:25 AM

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View PostAlzamon, on 12 January 2020 - 11:28 PM, said:

Give it spaced armor in the front, so those heat spamming cucks gets fucked.

 

This, about 100 times. Why does the Super Conq get almost invincible turret front while German heavies turrets are a joke the second you press the 2 key? All the heavies, E75, E100, Mauschen, Maus need a layer of spaced armor on the turret front so they are not XP pinatas against Soviet and Chinese HEAT spammers.



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More or less what barison1 said. 

Turret side up to 170-180mm

AP pen up to 250mm

AP velocity up to 900m/s

HEAT up to 340mm

Optional buff to sideskirt up to 75mm

 

That would already be enought. It's already enjoyable now, with those buffs it would be perfectly fine!

 






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