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Marcus_Helius #1 Posted 18 January 2020 - 07:24 AM

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How does an entire team suffer from [edited] so hard?
Did the stars align and I was MM with 13 [edited] who ALL thought "you know what a great strategy is? Let's all go to the worst possible place on this map!"

 


Edited by Homer_J, 18 January 2020 - 06:09 PM.
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Oldtanker68 #2 Posted 18 January 2020 - 07:40 AM

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Just farm as much dmg you can and move on.

 

The games that give you a positive winrate are the games you can personally influence, and a game like this you should just identify as a loss.

Random MM is random.

 

But Yeah, i know the "wtf is this" feeling :great:


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Suurpolskija #3 Posted 18 January 2020 - 07:52 AM

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It's not a bad tactic. You get good hulldown positions to cover the base. Given that you should probably also try to have a spotter in the north bushes. 

Marcus_Helius #4 Posted 18 January 2020 - 07:52 AM

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That game actually ended in a draw somehow... When idiots collide, no one wins... D:

Echotun #5 Posted 18 January 2020 - 07:59 AM

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View PostSuurpolskija, on 18 January 2020 - 07:52 AM, said:

It's not a bad tactic. You get good hulldown positions to cover the base. Given that you should probably also try to have a spotter in the north bushes. 


I was thinking the same thing. 
 

Ofc its not ideal to give the other team uncontested control of 80% of the map, but this is not the worst place to defend from. Far from an autoloss at least. 



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View PostSuurpolskija, on 18 January 2020 - 07:52 AM, said:

It's not a bad tactic. You get good hulldown positions to cover the base. Given that you should probably also try to have a spotter in the north bushes. 

Indeed, if a scout is on the enemy's Emil I position, the WZs in the picture should have a hard time to cross.



Echotun #7 Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:23 AM

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But if it is 13 players in the north east, then 2 players must have driven west alone to die miserably. That is way worse. 

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but WoT dont have better players just these ... 

Oldtanker68 #9 Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:34 AM

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View PostEchotun, on 18 January 2020 - 07:59 AM, said:


I was thinking the same thing. 
 

Ofc its not ideal to give the other team uncontested control of 80% of the map, but this is not the worst place to defend from. Far from an autoloss at least. 


Well, if you can Count on the other players on Your team to reqocnize that fact that it isnt.

Its not like they moved into this position thinking it was a god tatctic.

The problem is when you give up 80% of the map to the other team, its usually because Your team is filled With lemmings.

So yeah :great:

 

God Morgen;)


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m1x_angelico #10 Posted 18 January 2020 - 05:53 PM

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View PostMarcus_Helius, on 18 January 2020 - 07:24 AM, said:

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How does an entire team suffer from [edited] so hard?
Did the stars align and I was MM with 13 [edited] who ALL thought "you know what a great strategy is? Let's all go to the worst possible place on this map!"

 

 

I see this kind of play too often. I call it "Rats in a barrel". You all stand in one spot, safe, until you get surrounded. And then killed off one by one, until your are weak enough to be rushed by the enemy team.

 

If you go from that spot, you get killed by multiple enemies rushing your position. If you stay in that spot, you meet the same end as the others.

 

But hey! If you train real, real hard and git gud to an uber-unicum level, you will be able to enjoy and even win such matches! Or so some misguided souls here claim...



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View Postm1x_angelico, on 18 January 2020 - 04:53 PM, said:

 

I see this kind of play too often. I call it "Rats in a barrel". You all stand in one spot, safe, until you get surrounded. And then killed off one by one, until your are weak enough to be rushed by the enemy team.

 

If you go from that spot, you get killed by multiple enemies rushing your position. If you stay in that spot, you meet the same end as the others.

 

But hey! If you train real, real hard and git gud to an uber-unicum level, you will be able to enjoy and even win such matches! Or so some misguided souls here claim...

NOBODY claims that you can win every match, but there is no reason why you can't win this one with some appropriate action from even one member of the team. I do not think for one moment that this deployment is a valid tactic, but, basically, what we have here is a normal battle with the axis turned 90 degrees. That's the first issue addressed.


The second issue is: if the axis of the battle has been turned 90 degrees, then the green team are, essentially, base camping. That rarely ends well admittedly, but it all depends on how the enemy advance as well. One at a time into allied guns and this team could win. Having said that, the biggest problem I can see is that the red team will still have an SPG right at the end of the battle, whereas the green team's SPG is going to be spotted and taken out as soon as anyone gets near enough to see it: which should not be difficult.

 

You must have seen enough battles go weird by now to know that wins do happen from this situation. Rare, yes. But possible. The more often that one player can make the difference, the more often that player can win. And, yes. Sometimes it does take the alignment of the stars and a sacrificial virgin, but it happens.



Shacou #12 Posted 18 January 2020 - 07:09 PM

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It's all about opportunities! I couldn't win because O-NI is inflexible with mobility.
http://wotreplays.eu...e/5191439#stats

Echotun #13 Posted 21 January 2020 - 09:11 PM

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View PostOldtanker68, on 18 January 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:


Well, if you can Count on the other players on Your team to reqocnize that fact that it isnt.

Its not like they moved into this position thinking it was a god tatctic.

The problem is when you give up 80% of the map to the other team, its usually because Your team is filled With lemmings.

So yeah :great:

 

God Morgen;)


Absolutely. But its also very common when most of a team goes to one flank that you have one or two players that insist on going opposite because «somebody has to», then get killed super fast, and spend the rest of the battle pinging the map. 
 

Those players are by far the biggest idiots. 



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View PostMarcus_Helius, on 18 January 2020 - 06:24 AM, said:

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How does an entire team suffer from [edited] so hard?
Did the stars align and I was MM with 13 [edited] who ALL thought "you know what a great strategy is? Let's all go to the worst possible place on this map!"

 

 

I agree fully, those 2 were idiots.



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OP also has by far the heaviest armor on the team in the Bobject but sits further back than arty. I don't play TDs so what do I know, maybe you're doing it right.
Just feels like that armor would be more helpful holding some contested point when the enemy push in instead of leaving the lightly armored mediums to hold alone. 

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View PostMarcus_Helius, on 18 January 2020 - 07:52 AM, said:

That game actually ended in a draw somehow... When idiots collide, no one wins... D:

 

Nope, your team sits in a location which is fairly easy to defend.

 

It's by far not the worst place on the map.



Marcus_Helius #17 Posted 22 January 2020 - 08:37 AM

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And again. How does this happen?
Notice how most of the team is TDs and yet I was the ONLY one who went to the TD hill in the north of map...
The ENTIRE team went into the valley...
I see this happen time and again on these kind of maps.
How can people be so backwards in there thinking?
"Let's take the low ground"!
Said no one ever...

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Echotun #18 Posted 22 January 2020 - 09:07 AM

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View PostMarcus_Helius, on 22 January 2020 - 08:37 AM, said:

And again. How does this happen?
Notice how most of the team is TDs and yet I was the ONLY one who went to the TD hill in the north of map...
The ENTIRE team went into the valley...
I see this happen time and again on these kind of maps.
How can people be so backwards in there thinking?
"Let's take the low ground"!
Said no one ever...


T5 and T6. You might play a long streak of battles at those tiers without seeing any sense of tactical gameplay. So expect to be on your own or bring a friend or two. 
 



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View PostMarcus_Helius, on 22 January 2020 - 08:37 AM, said:

And again. How does this happen?
Notice how most of the team is TDs and yet I was the ONLY one who went to the TD hill in the north of map...
The ENTIRE team went into the valley...
I see this happen time and again on these kind of maps.
How can people be so backwards in there thinking?
"Let's take the low ground"!
Said no one ever...

Hehe this is a lot worse than your first picture.
This is basicly just sit and wait for death.



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View PostMarcus_Helius, on 18 January 2020 - 06:24 AM, said:

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How does an entire team suffer from [edited] so hard?
Did the stars align and I was MM with 13 [edited] who ALL thought "you know what a great strategy is? Let's all go to the worst possible place on this map!"

 

All camp in a corner and give the enemy complete map control for free on in the 1st minute of the game is a personal hate of mine too


Edited by Gruff_, 22 January 2020 - 11:47 AM.





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