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Why is it that humans can not work together?


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superfly2000 #1 Posted 21 January 2020 - 08:32 PM

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Even simple animals like wolves, piranhas, well, even ants and bees can work together to achieve common goals, why can't humans?

 

Most of the times when are you playing you get the feeling that everyone is playing like they are alone.

 

It happends more often then not that you flank around with a fast tank, you get all enemies turn to you and your team does NOTHING!!!! 

 

OR, like the great stupidity that I just encountered, so I flank around again and for some reason all the bots in my team died and there is only another light left in the team. What is to our advantage is that the enemy is capping in the open, so I flank around, and what does he do? Instead of just sitting in his current position and wait for me to get on the flank? What does he do? Goes what, he flanks on to the OTHER side which is COMPLETELY not needed because then my flanking manouver is worthless, just because HE wants to get on the side of the enemy, AGAIN, thinking out of a solo perspective, even the last damn player...


Edited by superfly2000, 21 January 2020 - 08:39 PM.


Stimpeltje #2 Posted 21 January 2020 - 08:35 PM

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It is also in human nature to learn from mistakes and evolve.



Element6 #3 Posted 21 January 2020 - 08:36 PM

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We can, that's why we've been to the moon and have an international space station. WoT is more like battle royale though.

wremise #4 Posted 21 January 2020 - 08:42 PM

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we can, but for every team we need someone who is leading it. And every human want to be the leading one...

Edited by wremise, 21 January 2020 - 08:42 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #5 Posted 21 January 2020 - 08:52 PM

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Working together requires communication. For all we know you just did whatever you did and assumed he was supposed to read your mind. 

NekoPuffer_PPP #6 Posted 21 January 2020 - 08:57 PM

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Teamwork? Mutual benefit? Ain't nobody got time for that.



Element6 #7 Posted 21 January 2020 - 09:24 PM

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You press battle and get into one, with 14 other people...

 

The SPG player is on a mission to stun 2 enemies with one shell, so he holds off his shots looking for a suitable situation

One is trying to deal X amont of damage while remaining unspotted, so he stays way back on the map

One is trying to spot X number of enemies so YOLO forward

One is sick and tired of going to the front early without getting support from his teams, so this time around he waits a full minute before he even moves his tank

One is called by the wife to help her with a kitchen emergency

Two are IRL friends tooning while having had a bit too much alcohol

One disconnects or has the game crash on him right after the battle starts

A few are in completely stock tanks with a 75%, or worse, a 50% crew

One has failed to load his tank with ammo

One spends the time raging in chat over his team mates while his own tank is standing still, or going on autopilot straight into the river and drowns

One is trying to mark a tank and doesn't really care if it's a win or a defeat

 

And then there is you, hoping for team effort.



Long_Range_Sniper #8 Posted 21 January 2020 - 09:33 PM

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What would be useful would be a specific Discord channel for like minded people to come together.

1ucky #9 Posted 21 January 2020 - 09:36 PM

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I think this game is a bad example, at least in Random Battle mode.

 

You need to get teamed up and play against other real teams in clan battles in order to see more of people's teamwork potential in play.

 

Or go hunt/fight for real, I guess... :P

 

TL;DR

Basically, the people in randoms are often times not even trying...



Old_Ironballs #10 Posted 21 January 2020 - 09:38 PM

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View PostStimpeltje, on 21 January 2020 - 08:35 PM, said:

It is also in human nature to learn from mistakes and evolve.

 

“Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.”


― Douglas Adams



Private_Miros #11 Posted 21 January 2020 - 09:38 PM

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To be honest, most players - that either aren't joking around or haven't completely given up - want to cooperate. It's just that most players cannot properly read the game and recognize what is beneficial for the team and thus for a victory.

 

This includes scouting, luring the enemy in, retreating, not trading damage when it's not necessary, trading damage when necessary for a push, etc...

 

To be honest, this is largely what makes random battles fun and addictive.



malachi6 #12 Posted 21 January 2020 - 10:03 PM

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Humans are highly socialized.  We are also hard-wired for self-defense, pattern recognition and favoring false-positives.  Combine all these traits into an online shooter than then adds language barriers and you get emergent behaviour that can appear to fly in the face of co-operation.  



SoupFork #13 Posted 21 January 2020 - 11:13 PM

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Humans can cooperate quite well provided they have a single, common goal and achieving that goal benefits all involved equally.

 

Unfortunately the nature of this game is that in a 15 player team, there might be 15 conflicting goals, thanks to missions, grinds, specials, personal preferences and stupidity. Winning isn’t even necessarily the common goal and WG does a good job of tailoring missions and specials in such a way that they often conflict and get in the way of simply wining a game.



TankkiPoju #14 Posted 22 January 2020 - 09:09 AM

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If human's couldn't work together, we could not have any kind of modern civilization. Not even large villages. Now we have cities that host millions of humans.

 

Imagine if human nature was really like wolves have. We would have herds of ~10 humans, where there would be an alpha male. That's how humans lived in caves once. We have evolved quite a bit.



BSHDBCG #15 Posted 22 January 2020 - 09:53 AM

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“What We Seem to Have Here is a Failure to Communicate...”?

- From the movie "Cool hand Luke"



WaffleTiger #16 Posted 22 January 2020 - 10:00 AM

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I think you can't rely on teammates, but you can give them opportunities and then it's up to them.

tankqull #17 Posted 22 January 2020 - 10:06 AM

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View PostStimpeltje, on 21 January 2020 - 07:35 PM, said:

It is also in human nature to learn from mistakes and evolve.


WoT is a obvious exception of the rule as it seems...



splash_time #18 Posted 22 January 2020 - 10:18 AM

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It can be fixed by adding real "Voice chat" in battles, without needing for platooning, like, when I play with my friends and use TS? We decided our next actions based on different opinions.

So, chat on it's own isn't enough.  Thus I know that not all players are good at speaking English, so why not to add "Voice chat channels"? Just like the current "Clan channels" or "Chat channels"? So friends/clans creat a channel for themselves.  It won't really be that hard to add voice chat with good quality. 



shikaka9 #19 Posted 22 January 2020 - 10:28 AM

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Evilier_than_Skeletor #20 Posted 22 January 2020 - 10:37 AM

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The matchmaker groups together 15 armchair generals, who are absolutely convinced they are good at this game. Or atleast a whole lot better than the guy in the next tank and most definitely know how the team should play this round. Failure to read every general's mind and/or map pinging and reacting to those plans instantly on the other side of the map means the team are noobs. Except of course that particular general. Issue is especially severe if that plan was that the team should drop everything and teleport over to save the brains of the operation. I'm surprised there is as much team work as there is. :P




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