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Pandabird #1 Posted 29 January 2020 - 05:44 PM

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Having played the awesome 703 for a while I couldn't help but notice the models for IS22 and is33 being a tad,,, weird up close?

 

I mean the shots should line up next to eachother no matter how far they hit kinda if I understood right from the 703.

 

With is22,,,, imagine 400m range doubleshot sniping when barrels look like this.

 


Edited by Pandabird, 29 January 2020 - 05:47 PM.


Balc0ra #2 Posted 29 January 2020 - 05:49 PM

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If you turn the camera and look at it from above you notice they are centered as such. You can see the barrels are not the same width on the tip as on the mantle. So when you see that angle head-on. It looks off due to it I suspect.

ChristOfTheAbyss #3 Posted 29 January 2020 - 05:50 PM

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Pandabird #4 Posted 29 January 2020 - 05:52 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 29 January 2020 - 06:49 PM, said:

If you turn the camera and look at it from above you notice they are centered as such. You can see the barrels are not the same width on the tip as on the mantle. So when you see that angle head-on. It looks off due to it I suspect.


yes, but when you actually facehug one ingame, you see this. Which barrel is aiming at your turret ring? or is it just facehugging and shooting your teammates?



jack_timber #5 Posted 29 January 2020 - 06:09 PM

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Reminds me of Marty Feldman.....

malachi6 #6 Posted 29 January 2020 - 06:19 PM

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Are you referring to parallax?

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View PostPandabird, on 29 January 2020 - 05:44 PM, said:

Having played the awesome 703 for a while I couldn't help but notice the models for IS22 and is33 being a tad,,, weird up close?

 

I mean the shots should line up next to eachother no matter how far they hit kinda if I understood right from the 703.

 

With is22,,,, imagine 400m range doubleshot sniping when barrels look like this.

 

While looking strange, it doesn't mean that the 2 barrels aren't Parallell with a distance between them.

 

You have to account for distance between barrels and how far away you are from the tip when creating this image.

 

One sure thing, if you could see the buttom of both barrels, they wouldn't be parallell.


Edited by ZlatanArKung, 29 January 2020 - 06:24 PM.


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View PostZlatanArKung, on 29 January 2020 - 07:22 PM, said:

While looking strange, it doesn't mean that the 2 barrels aren't Parallell with a distance between them.

 

You have to account for distance between barrels and how far away you are from the tip when creating this image.

 

One sure thing, if you could see the buttom of both barrels, they wouldn't be parallell.

 

then why does 703 look much more logical? Shorter barrel?

Sure, muzzle break adds some cover mass, but does it really compensate how "pug" like the is22 is upfront?



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Go to your local train track. Make very, very, very sure there are no trains coming. Stand between the tracks on a long, straight stretch. Now lie down on your stomach so your eyes are at the same height as the top of the tracks. Notice how they look like they’re far apart at your head but meet in the distance. That’s called perspective. Same thing here. Now get off the tracks before someone calls the police.

Homer_J #10 Posted 29 January 2020 - 06:50 PM

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I think the difference between the two tanks is because the barrels are different lengths and perspective in WoT is screwey due to the fov.

Edited by Homer_J, 29 January 2020 - 06:51 PM.


Pandabird #11 Posted 29 January 2020 - 06:54 PM

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View PostSoupFork, on 29 January 2020 - 07:49 PM, said:

Go to your local train track. Make very, very, very sure there are no trains coming. Stand between the tracks on a long, straight stretch. Now lie down on your stomach so your eyes are at the same height as the top of the tracks. Notice how they look like they’re far apart at your head but meet in the distance. That’s called perspective. Same thing here. Now get off the tracks before someone calls the police.




NekoPuffer_PPP #12 Posted 29 January 2020 - 07:12 PM

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Perspective + wide FoV = that

 

Note: if you're wondering what barrel is aiming at you, remember this;

If both guns are loaded, the left one will always fire first (the one on the right when looking at it head-on), even when they're charging for a double shot.

 

This means the left barrel (the right) will be the one you wanna watch for where it's aiming.

 

If the tank has fired one shot already, then the right barrel (the left) will be the one you wanna follow. Once the left gun is reloaded, the tank will still be aiming with the right barrel, because that one is already selected. This means, the double-shot can be aimed with the right barrel in this situation.

 

However, after a double-shot, it will always reset to aim with the left gun first.

 

So, you just need to pay attention to how they're firing.



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View PostPandabird, on 29 January 2020 - 05:44 PM, said:

Having played the awesome 703 for a while I couldn't help but notice the models for IS22 and is33 being a tad,,, weird up close?

 

I mean the shots should line up next to eachother no matter how far they hit kinda if I understood right from the 703.

 

With is22,,,, imagine 400m range doubleshot sniping when barrels look like this.

 


:facepalm:

Dear lord...

I hope this was a bad joke or you just woke up and had a brainfart.



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Something a bit off about the double barrel modelling?

 

Aye, they should look like this instead. :trollface:

Spoiler

 



Pandabird #15 Posted 29 January 2020 - 07:26 PM

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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 29 January 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:


:facepalm:

Dear lord...

I hope this was a bad joke or you just woke up and had a brainfart.

 

In my opinion, the parallel axxis is off on the FOV, graphical error on the game's part. It's subtle but it's there. Was attempting some form of humour to boot. If you are going to be a sourpuss, be my guest.

It's not like it's an ultimate demand for change or anything, more of an observation:popcorn:

 

 

or /R Whoosh or whatever you kids like to call it these days:trollface:


Edited by Pandabird, 29 January 2020 - 07:38 PM.


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#Fisheye

Spurtung #17 Posted 30 January 2020 - 04:14 AM

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Renaissance artists studying and using vanishing points in their perspective so we could have someone having this kind of wondering 600 years later.

 

Remarkable.

 

I guess the Middle Ages are back, baby...

 

 



Robbie_T #18 Posted 30 January 2020 - 04:31 AM

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That the barrel is offset on the is 2DB has to do with the turret.

If you look good from the front you can see the barrels are slightly mounted left in the turret....thats why the right barrel(from frontview) is offset.

I think Qb even talked about it in the pre or review of the tank

 

 



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View Post1ucky, on 30 January 2020 - 02:51 AM, said:

#Fisheye

 

That's what I was getting at.  The whole view in WoT if you use the default FoV is like looking through a slightly fisheye lens which they have then added some software correction to.



FataL_ShadowZ #20 Posted 30 January 2020 - 10:34 AM

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I was just browsing this topic and seeing as I'm at work I took the image in the OP's first post and brought it into my CAD software. I established the centre-line between the barrels and then drew a number of vertical generator lines that line up with easily distinguishable parts of the tank. These were then mirrored using the dash-dot centre-line and you can clearly see for yourself that the only lines which are off, is the left-hand barrel (right hand side in the image). At first I thought it was just a case of the camera being off-centre however if that were the case, the purple and yellow lines wouldn't align but they clearly do.

 

Seems like wonky modelling to me.

 






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