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ChristOfTheAbyss #1 Posted 02 February 2020 - 10:18 AM

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This is the absolute worst t10 tank I've played. Havent player German super heavies, but apart them every tank is wayyy better.

 

Barely can average 3k dmg with this while getting 3,3k with the t9. Thats worst dpg out of the t10 heavies, by a lot.

 

Might be first t10 tank I sell before I play even 50 games in it... Waste of credits...



Shacou #2 Posted 02 February 2020 - 10:40 AM

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Well, it's a niche heavy. CC reviews were pretty honest that these heavies don't have too good armor, only decent turrets when hulldown, tho. Use double barrel mechanic to trade effectively. And it's nice for once to have WG release something balanced, not broken or overperforming.

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all double barreled are 1 tier to high :)

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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 02 February 2020 - 09:18 AM, said:

This is the absolute worst t10 tank I've played. Havent player German super heavies, but apart them every tank is wayyy better.

 

Barely can average 3k dmg with this while getting 3,3k with the t9. Thats worst dpg out of the t10 heavies, by a lot.

 

Might be first t10 tank I sell before I play even 50 games in it... Waste of credits...


Boy wastes money.

Boy should have done his homework first.

Boy comes to forum to whine.

Have I missed anything?

 



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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 02 February 2020 - 10:18 AM, said:

This is the absolute worst t10 tank I've played. Havent player German super heavies, but apart them every tank is wayyy better.

 

Barely can average 3k dmg with this while getting 3,3k with the t9. Thats worst dpg out of the t10 heavies, by a lot.

 

Might be first t10 tank I sell before I play even 50 games in it... Waste of credits...


I assume you haven't played IS-4 then.



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View PostShacou, on 02 February 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:

Well, it's a niche heavy. CC reviews were pretty honest that these heavies don't have too good armor, only decent turrets when hulldown, tho. Use double barrel mechanic to trade effectively. And it's nice for once to have WG release something balanced, not broken or overperforming.


They dont have decent turrets though, cheeks can be penned quite easily with same tier normal ammo. Let alone prem ammo. T10 isnt balanced though, its UP.

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 02 February 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:


I assume you haven't played IS-4 then.

 

You assume wrong. In the opening post I said I only havent played german super heavies.

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 02 February 2020 - 10:46 AM, said:


Boy wastes money.

Boy should have done his homework first.

Boy comes to forum to whine.

Have I missed anything?

 

 

A lot. But if we stay only on the topic, wasting credits, not money, yes, while doing research helps, which I did, stats didnt show the tank to be that bad. Stats can only go that far until you have played it.

 

Also, welcome to the whine club, except you whine about whining, which is even worse.

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View Postshikaka9, on 02 February 2020 - 10:41 AM, said:

all double barreled are 1 tier to high :)


T8 and T9 are fine. T10 just cant compete with anything at t10.



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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 02 February 2020 - 09:57 AM, said:


They dont have decent turrets though, cheeks can be penned quite easily with same tier normal ammo. Let alone prem ammo. T10 isnt balanced though, its UP.

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You assume wrong. In the opening post I said I only havent played german super heavies.

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A lot. But if we stay only on the topic, wasting credits, not money, yes, while doing research helps, which I did, stats didnt show the tank to be that bad. Stats can only go that far until you have played it.

 

Also, welcome to the whine club, except you whine about whining, which is even worse.

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T8 and T9 are fine. T10 just cant compete with anything at t10.


I assume you know about the test servers...……………………?

 



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Havent even got to tier 9 yet, but so far the tier 8 is a horrible experience, I' rather play in most tier 6s than this. People say that tier 9 is way better, so there is at least some hope to motivate me to grind through this absolute PoS...



ChristOfTheAbyss #9 Posted 02 February 2020 - 11:15 AM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 02 February 2020 - 11:13 AM, said:


I assume you know about the test servers...……………………?

 


I assume you dont know as testing there doesnt tell any more than looking at stats. Gameplay and ammo loadouts are completely different.



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Sincerely... i hope that no one cares.
Don't get me wrong, i know what mean playing with sub par tanks, but honestly the game is filled with so much broken op tanks (mostly soviets cause reasons) that also if 3 new tanks come out "not so much performing" we'll make it right and move on.
Not every new tank must break the meta or create a new one.


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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 02 February 2020 - 09:57 AM, said:


They dont have decent turrets though, cheeks can be penned quite easily with same tier normal ammo. Let alone prem ammo. T10 isnt balanced though, its UP.

 

Errrrrr......

 

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Looks fine to me, that is 340 pen HEAT and there are some minor spots that are 50/50 and the cupola is a pen, that is a pretty good tier 10 turret.

 

Great soft stats, -8 gun depression, a decent chunk of hit points, a decent turret and the ability to do 880 damage in one go and better than super heavy mobility.  

 

Whilst I don't think it is the greatest tank and there are probably better tanks, it still looks decently strong to me, I mean IS-4, E100, E5, 113, Type 5 etc. so hello.

 

Looks more like on the level of something like he 60tp, not quite top meta like a 5A or 277 but better than average. In fact overall its very similar to the 60TP, turret is similar, hull armour is similar, speed is similar, similar HP, and it has better gun handling with the ability to do better alpha strikers. 


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ChristOfTheAbyss #12 Posted 02 February 2020 - 11:26 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 02 February 2020 - 11:20 AM, said:

 

Errrrrr......

 

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Looks fine to me, that is 340 pen HEAT and there are some minor spots that are 50/50 and the cupola is a pen, that is a pretty good tier 10 turret.

 

Great soft stats, -8 gun depression, a decent chunk of hit points, a decent turret and the ability to do 880 damage in one go and better than super heavy mobility.  

 

Whilst I don't think it is the greatest tank and there are probably better tanks, it still looks decently strong to me, I mean IS-4, E100, E5, 113, Type 5 etc. so hello.

 

Looks more like on the level of something like he 60tp, not quite top meta like a 5A or 277 but better than average. In fact overall its very similar to the 60TP, turret is similar, hull armour is similar, speed is similar, similar HP, and it has better gun handling with the ability to do better alpha strikers. 


Was more referencing the t8 and t9 there.

 

Also, check the mantlet weakspot on ST-II. No need for heat.

 

// Sounds to me you are making same mistake as I did, as you say it looks decently strong. So you havent yet played it properly on live server. It will be worse, I assure you.

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View PostThejagdpanther, on 02 February 2020 - 11:20 AM, said:

Sincerely... i hope that no one cares.
Don't get me wrong, i know what mean playing with sub par tanks, but honestly the game is filled with so much broken op tanks (mostly soviets cause reasons) that also if 3 new tanks come out "not so much performing" we'll make it right and move on.
Not every new tank must break the meta or create a new one.

 

No, but it would be nice for new tanks to be playable. Whats the point of creating a tank if its just trash? Just like AMX 54. ST-II probably will be played more as its russian and has two barrels, but it wont perform.


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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 02 February 2020 - 10:15 AM, said:


I assume you dont know as testing there doesnt tell any more than looking at stats. Gameplay and ammo loadouts are completely different.


But the vehicle remains the same yes?

Which was the point of your whine in the first place was it not?



ChristOfTheAbyss #14 Posted 02 February 2020 - 11:49 AM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 02 February 2020 - 11:45 AM, said:


But the vehicle remains the same yes?

Which was the point of your whine in the first place was it not?

 

No, it was its performance.



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So far? I liked the T8 and the T6 T 150.

I think the T9 will be more interesting.  Don't know about the TX, probably you must play it like E 100, you load, you go forward, deal 800-990 and go back, repeat. 

 

But I can't imagine myself playing the TX TBH.



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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 02 February 2020 - 10:49 AM, said:

 

No, it was its performance.


Oh well, if that's the case then, I guess you're out of luck.

I mean, it's not like anyone has ever purchased a vehicle that has disappointed....

What you generally donn't see, however, are dozens of whine threads with folk lamenting decisions they have made.

 



ChristOfTheAbyss #17 Posted 02 February 2020 - 12:00 PM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 02 February 2020 - 11:57 AM, said:


Oh well, if that's the case then, I guess you're out of luck.

I mean, it's not like anyone has ever purchased a vehicle that has disappointed....

What you generally donn't see, however, are dozens of whine threads with folk lamenting decisions they have made.

 

 

I dont quite see what you're trying to say here? I SHOULDNT discuss tanks on the WoT forums? I really thought thats the actual point of the forum, but I guess not...

 

Or you're just trolling, which you always do...



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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 02 February 2020 - 11:00 AM, said:

 

I dont quite see what you're trying to say here? I SHOULDNT discuss tanks on the WoT forums? I really thought thats the actual point of the forum, but I guess not...

 

Or you're just trolling, which you always do...


This isn't a discussion though is it?

It's you whining about a poor decision.

 



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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 02 February 2020 - 12:30 PM, said:


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Thread has deviated from its purpose.

Thread locked.

 

Thread has been cleaned up with irrelevant content removed.

This could be a good place for players to conduct meaningful discussions on the double-barreled vehicles. I sincerely hope this thread can be used as such.

Thread re-opened.

Cheers guys.

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ChristOfTheAbyss #20 Posted 02 February 2020 - 12:53 PM

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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 02 February 2020 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

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Thread has deviated from its purpose.

Thread locked.

 

Thread has been cleaned up with irrelevant content removed.

This could be a good place for players to conduct meaningful discussions on the double-barreled vehicles. I sincerely hope this thread can be used as such.

Thread re-opened.

Cheers guys.

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Thank you.

 

To, hopefully, continue this thread like it was intended.

 

Btw, checked the double barreled ones out on tanks.gg. Only the T10 has the mantlet weakspot, similar to the Pz7 and VKK(the CW reward tank) have on their mantlet. (T8 is broken, so cant confirm it doesnt have it either.)

 

Dont know if its there deliberately or by accident. Would be weird to add it there.







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