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sammygo #1 Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:06 PM

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A warning for anybody whose thinking about grinding the german Jagdpanzer E100 line: the tier VIII Jagdpanther II is a horrific grinding experience up to the 12.8 cm gun. You will encounter many battles where you can't even pen a tree's leaf. That is with the 10.5 cm gun. You will meet lots of tier IX and X tanks, some of which you even can pen from behind. To get some points I sometimes try to shoot HE. Even that will often just bounce... I haven't tried the Ferdinand, but sidestepping this JP II is certainly an option.

Inevitably your win rate will be lower than average. That makes the grind even more troublesome.

And yes, it's fairly speedy. But it accelerate very slow, so run away is often not really possible.


Edited by sammygo, 02 February 2020 - 09:09 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #2 Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:15 PM

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Ferdi is bad, you would regret it. JP2 is a lot better. 

Spurtung #3 Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:22 PM

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10k battles, sounding like you are seeing the world for the first time.

RockyRoller #4 Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:29 PM

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Ferdi is ok with top gun, but it misses a lot. Also you need less research via the Ferdi for the next tier

Edited by RockyRoller, 02 February 2020 - 09:31 PM.


RaxipIx #5 Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:36 PM

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Anybody reading this, go the JP2 way, the Ferdi is  very bad in the current meta, too slow, big target, unusable armor except if you are top tier. The only good thing about it is the gun, but the JP2 has the same gun, way more mobile, and the thing can bounce here and there, and you are also a smaller target!

sammygo #6 Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:51 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 02 February 2020 - 09:22 PM, said:

10k battles, sounding like you are seeing the world for the first time.

 

Yes, I know how HE works. But at least you have more chance of hitting something, whereas the AP against many IX and X tanks is a certain bounce.



Spurtung #7 Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:54 PM

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View Postsammygo, on 02 February 2020 - 08:51 PM, said:

Yes, I know how HE works. But at least you have more chance of hitting something, whereas the AP against many IX and X tanks is a certain bounce.

 

Are you talking about my signature?!



TomatoShooter #8 Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:56 PM

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Sry m8, it is not the tank...PEBKAC.

tank276 #9 Posted 02 February 2020 - 10:03 PM

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View Postsammygo, on 02 February 2020 - 08:06 PM, said:

A warning for anybody whose thinking about grinding the german Jagdpanzer E100 line: the tier VIII Jagdpanther II is a horrific grinding experience up to the 12.8 cm gun. You will encounter many battles where you can't even pen a tree's leaf. That is with the 10.5 cm gun. You will meet lots of tier IX and X tanks, some of which you even can pen from behind. To get some points I sometimes try to shoot HE. Even that will often just bounce... I haven't tried the Ferdinand, but sidestepping this JP II is certainly an option.

Inevitably your win rate will be lower than average. That makes the grind even more troublesome.

And yes, it's fairly speedy. But it accelerate very slow, so run away is often not really possible.


What are you on about? The JP2 with a good crew is a solid tier 8 TD.


Edited by tank276, 02 February 2020 - 10:03 PM.


BravelyRanAway #10 Posted 02 February 2020 - 10:05 PM

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View Postsammygo, on 02 February 2020 - 08:06 PM, said:

A warning for anybody whose thinking about grinding the german Jagdpanzer E100 line: the tier VIII Jagdpanther II is a horrific grinding experience up to the 12.8 cm gun. You will encounter many battles where you can't even pen a tree's leaf. 

I bet you say that to all the tanks gals!:trollface:



WindSplitter1 #11 Posted 03 February 2020 - 12:28 AM

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I just unlocked the thing.

 

Played JP with the 2nd 8.8

 

10cm doesn't seem half bad.

Top, it's a turretless Skorpion



NekoPuffer_PPP #12 Posted 03 February 2020 - 01:15 AM

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Actually, the Ferdi is better, precisely because people think it's an easy kill...it's vastly underestimated. It packs a nasty punch, and does a surprisingly good job at facehugging on city maps...unless your foes load gold.

Balc0ra #13 Posted 03 February 2020 - 01:21 AM

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Well, now you know how the VK A feels vs a Type 5. As he has the exact same 200 pen gun... elite.

 

Tho on the JP II I went with the 88, sacrificing alpha and gold pen. Same DPM, but the faster reload and a tiny bit more pen makes that time waiting for the reload on a bounce a bit more workable in a pinch. As unlike the Ferdi, this has mobility. So use it to get on targets you can deal with vs bouncing on all day. As that 200 flat pen can troll.

 

Tho the top gun makes it all worth it.



Shacou #14 Posted 03 February 2020 - 09:31 AM

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Don't judge a tank when its stock. JPII is awesome. Good mobility, camo, can go hulldown at some locations too, unlike ferdi with flat superstructure.

tajj7 #15 Posted 03 February 2020 - 09:38 AM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 03 February 2020 - 12:15 AM, said:

Actually, the Ferdi is better, precisely because people think it's an easy kill...it's vastly underestimated. It packs a nasty punch, and does a surprisingly good job at facehugging on city maps...unless your foe has a brain

 

FTFY

 

Not sure how anyone would ever have trouble being faced hugged by a Ferdi, it has 200mm of flat armour at best and horrible weakspots everywhere. 

 

The JP2 is just a much superior vehicle, the Ferdi is just a free damage pinata.

 

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As for the topic from the OP, 244 APCR pen is not the worst for tier 8 stock tank, certainly not with 320 alpha and 2.5k DPM.

 

Some fully upgraded tier 8s have worse standard and premium pen than the 105mm on the Jp2. 



Hammerhead20 #16 Posted 03 February 2020 - 09:43 AM

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Dude, what are you talking about?

 

Jagdpanther II is a decent vehicle. Maybe you are playing at "front lines" with it or what?

 

Try Ferdinand and then you will know what a "bad tank" means...



splash_time #17 Posted 03 February 2020 - 09:45 AM

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Ferdinand is a good tank, but JP II is better in my opinion, because you have speed, neither of Ferdinand nor JP II has armour, and they both go for Jdtiger. I would prefer speed over slugish tank. 

And since they both share the same gun, I might love JP II.



TungstenHitman #18 Posted 03 February 2020 - 10:01 AM

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Well your most played tank is a TS-5 so yes I would imagine a stock JP2 feels useless by comparison. 

 

When you upgrade it and run it with a decent crew it's actually probably about the best tech tree tier8 German tanks. You will have a 3k dpm gun that I found very reliable and accurate that hits for 490 alpha with 246 standard pen and 311 premium pen with really decent mobility and a bouncy upper hull once you hide that big hull.

 

When you compare that to it's other T8 tech tree German counterparts, you have the Panther2, yikes, and the Tiger 2, oof! both of those are knocking for around 2k dpm instead of 3k along with pretty sad alpha and pen by comparison. Nah, the JP2 is a pretty good deal for T8 tbh. T8 is generally a tough old slog but the JP2 does a T8 grind better than most once it's fully upgraded.

 

You could go with the Ferdi sure, but tbh you are crying about a stock tank and so I fail to see how a stock Ferdi is going to be any less painful than a stock JP2.


Edited by TungstenHitman, 03 February 2020 - 10:02 AM.


wolfsrain #19 Posted 03 February 2020 - 10:38 AM

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Sorry, but in the current meta, JagdPanther II is a better choice then Ferdi.

Galan7891 #20 Posted 03 February 2020 - 02:01 PM

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Jpanther 2 is the superior vehicle in the current meta either stock or fully upgraded.The only redeeming quality of Ferdinand is that it has some more HP and that it has the same crew requirements as the tanks it leads to.





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