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Navadjivac #1 Posted 05 February 2020 - 03:38 PM

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Hi everyone, i noticed funny bug that people pen me while sidescraping in the sides while there is 120mm armor in that angle is imposible to pen even with gold, exactly this position that i show in picture

 

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Edited by Navadjivac, 05 February 2020 - 03:40 PM.


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View PostNavadjivac, on 05 February 2020 - 03:38 PM, said:

Hi everyone, i noticed funny bug that people pen me while sidescraping in the sides while there is 120mm armor in that angle is imposible to pen even with gold, exactly this position that i show in picture

 

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Yea I've noticed that, too.

When I sidescrape on tanks.gg I never get penned.

But when I sidescrape in-game, I get penned a lot.

WG should fix this bug ASAP.



Nishi_Kinuyo #3 Posted 05 February 2020 - 03:43 PM

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Got a replay to go along with that?

Navadjivac #4 Posted 05 February 2020 - 03:48 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 05 February 2020 - 02:43 PM, said:

Got a replay to go along with that?

Well i dont record my gameplay but this is happening to me alot, it pissed me off cuz its unrealistic and i decided to post i side scrape like this hide my turret then i get penned and wtf then i drive back look at my tank and i see a hole in my sides oO.



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Ok turn on replays go play the tank and post replay. It's that simple 

TankkiPoju #6 Posted 05 February 2020 - 03:51 PM

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View PostNavadjivac, on 05 February 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

Well i dont record my gameplay but this is happening to me alot

 

So we just dont believe you then, simple as that.



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e75 has the track roof which is 40mm, so overmatch for the quite standard russian 122mm guns etc. as the track roof isnt laying flat but slight angled down as shown on pic below it is possible to hit that while said e75 is sidescraping on flat ground, while this is quite a lucky shot as it is real tiny it does happen so now and then, this issue occurs to couple more german tanks like tiger2/jgtigs as those have same angled down track roof

 

 



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You might be overangling in-game without realising it. Tanks.gg you can line up the tank perfectly for the armour (it even tells you the angle, how nice) but in-game you might slightly overestimate how angled you are and that tiny difference can suddenly make it pennable. Also worth mentioning is the bottom of the sides are 40mm thick at a tier with plenty of 122mm and higher calibers. It's very possible (but we can't say for sure) that they sneak in the pixel shot and manage to hit the spot while you're sidescraping, especially on uneven ground where they have an even better chance of hitting it.

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There is also the case of 340 pen HEAT that can role as high as 425 pen that will still pen at 85°.

 

Did you know that at tanks.gg you can do a "compare" - not the one at the very top that compares the stats of two or more tanks, but when you have picked your tank there is another "Compare" field slightly below the tank name, where you can select the "opponent"+gun+ammo type, e.g. here E 75 vs Obj. 430U HEAT has still 10% chance at the 73° angle you showed in your screenshot. Angle a little less at just under 70°, and it will already be close to a 50% chance to pen with such nominal 340 pen HEAT ammo.


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24doom24 #10 Posted 05 February 2020 - 04:19 PM

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Hmm... lets see. A yes I see the problem. Git gud.

Navadjivac #11 Posted 05 February 2020 - 04:28 PM

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While working on my recording on the problem here is what i recorded :)) these people deserve permanent ban.

 

Naming and shaming.

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Edited by Nakano_Ichika, 05 February 2020 - 04:44 PM.


shikaka9 #12 Posted 05 February 2020 - 04:31 PM

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aww gawd, you found armor on E75, replay is necessary :sceptic:

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View Postbarison1, on 05 February 2020 - 03:59 PM, said:

e75 has the track roof which is 40mm, so overmatch for the quite standard russian 122mm guns etc. as the track roof isnt laying flat but slight angled down as shown on pic below it is possible to hit that while said e75 is sidescraping on flat ground, while this is quite a lucky shot as it is real tiny it does happen so now and then, this issue occurs to couple more german tanks like tiger2/jgtigs as those have same angled down track roof

 

 

 

This is it.

 

I've penned many E75's that way. It's a nasty weakspot.



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 05 February 2020 - 03:51 PM, said:

So we just dont believe you then, simple as that.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, tbh.

Although being able to actually see where he gets hit and from what angle helps a lot.

View Postbarison1, on 05 February 2020 - 03:59 PM, said:

e75 has the track roof which is 40mm, so overmatch for the quite standard russian 122mm guns etc. as the track roof isnt laying flat but slight angled down as shown on pic below it is possible to hit that while said e75 is sidescraping on flat ground, while this is quite a lucky shot as it is real tiny it does happen so now and then, this issue occurs to couple more german tanks like tiger2/jgtigs as those have same angled down track roof

 

 

Especially considering that this is a thing.



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View PostNavadjivac, on 05 February 2020 - 03:28 PM, said:

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While working on my recording on the problem here is what i recorded :)) these people deserve permanent ban.

 

Naming and shaming.

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Its ilegal to report player like this ? Hardcore flamers who are playing against their own team and pushing you to death?

i am sorry for going offtopic but this had to be reported, i will record sidescrape problem soon.



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View PostNavadjivac, on 05 February 2020 - 04:10 PM, said:

Its ilegal to report player like this ? Hardcore flamers who are playing against their own team and pushing you to death?

i am sorry for going offtopic but this had to be reported, i will record sidescrape problem soon.

 

This kind of stuff is best reserved for tickets to support rather than posting on the forums with the video and (preferably) replay.



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View PostNavadjivac, on 05 February 2020 - 04:10 PM, said:

Its ilegal to report player like this ? Hardcore flamers who are playing against their own team and pushing you to death?

i am sorry for going offtopic but this had to be reported, i will record sidescrape problem soon.

The forum is not the place to do this though:facepalm:

 

Use the ticket system to report players. 



Navadjivac #18 Posted 05 February 2020 - 09:04 PM

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Here it is you can see in the end how i got pened. i will try to make even better video



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View PostNavadjivac, on 05 February 2020 - 10:04 PM, said:

here it is you can see in the end how i got pened. i will try to make even better video

 

Why don't you just enable replays in the in-game settings, upload the replay to https://wotreplays.eu and post the link? 

 

This way you don't have to play for the replay, you can just play and select the replay when it happens again. Also, in replays you can select to have a free camera so you can choose how to look at the situation.



Balc0ra #20 Posted 05 February 2020 - 09:18 PM

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View PostNavadjivac, on 05 February 2020 - 05:10 PM, said:

Its ilegal to report player like this ? Hardcore flamers who are playing against their own team and pushing you to death?

i am sorry for going offtopic but this had to be reported, i will record sidescrape problem soon.

 

No but there is a naming and shaming policy on the forum. And to be fair, you bumped into him constantly ruining his shots. So it's easy to see why he got mad.

 

But still.. that video, and especially the 2nd showed why you get penned on the side. You only angle vs one gun, thus the other guns have a different impact angle to make it easier to pen you. As you don't side scrape... you drive out showing your side.

 

On the T95 video you had a god angle vs the Conq that bounced. But the T10 had less than 70 degrees to hit. The 122mm on the T-10 still has a 30% chance to pen you at 69.9 degrees. It's over 90% at 60 degrees. So if you have the wrong angle. Most still have a chance. 

 

On the 2nd video I can't see what the M103 used. As it looked like AP. But you also gotta remember that if they use HEAT, 70 degrees is no longer auto bounce. And with the HEAT pen on that tier. Most still have a chance at that angle. Thus it's not the worst idea to have the damage panel settings to show ammo type used vs you. So you can adapt.







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