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GrannyPanties #1 Posted 07 February 2020 - 12:59 AM

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So this beg to the question, why can't EU server do the same?

https://worldoftanks...ck-market-0220/

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Balc0ra #2 Posted 07 February 2020 - 01:23 AM

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Because NA did screw up and it did not appear at the planned time. So they shifted it. But as you can see. They tossed it all over the place vs at set times with 12-hour intervals. Sure you reach out to more on one. But then again the next offer most have already left for work etc.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 07 February 2020 - 01:23 AM, said:

Because NA did screw up and it did not appear at the planned time. So they shifted it. But as you can see. They tossed it all over the place vs at set times with 12-hour intervals. Sure you reach out to more on one. But then again the next offer most have already left for work etc.

 

Mmmm...I'm not sure how they made it work with 3 separate times. I suppose they offer less per each? That is an interesting way to solve the issue people have with work/waking up early.

 

Would we all be happy with that? :ohmy:

 

Say, an offer at 5pm and then repeated at 7pm, for example? Or at 6pm and 10pm? (4-hour buffer) I imagine 6am and 10pm would be good times for most people.



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 07 February 2020 - 01:30 AM, said:

 

Mmmm...I'm not sure how they made it work with 3 separate times. I suppose they offer less per each? That is an interesting way to solve the issue people have with work/waking up early.

 

Would we all be happy with that? :ohmy:

 

Say, an offer at 5pm and then repeated at 7pm, for example? Or at 6pm and 10pm? (4-hour buffer) I imagine 6am and 10pm would be good times for most people.

 

You're gonna make someone mad regardless. Even more so if a good offer was there, then a different one came when they shifted it later so others would have time. It's tricky to balance when you shift times that often I suspect, vs at a set time each day.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 07 February 2020 - 01:46 AM, said:

You're gonna make someone mad regardless. Even more so if a good offer was there, then a different one came when they shifted it later so others would have time. It's tricky to balance when you shift times that often I suspect, vs at a set time each day.

 

No no, the thing is, it would be the same offer, repeated twice, 4 hours after the first. Like, for example, the AMX 1357 at 6am, and again at 10am. Then the next offer, for example the Chrysler at 6pm and 10pm.

 

Though with the auction system, that could be avoided altogether.



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It's not 3 offers, it's the same one in three different time zones.

Cobra6 #7 Posted 07 February 2020 - 12:29 PM

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We don't need shifted time schedules.

 

We need WG to instead of dumping say 4000 tanks at once, make 1000 available 5, 1000 at 6, 1000 at 7 and 1000 at 8. That way everyone has a chance to get something instead of just those that don't have daytime jobs.

Oh and obviously, if not all 1000 are sold at any particular time, those get added to the next hour, they don't "vanish".

 

In short, we need WG to make the black market customer friendly. I did already point this out last year but apparently that wasn't passed to the developers somehow.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 07 February 2020 - 12:30 PM.


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View PostCobra6, on 07 February 2020 - 11:29 AM, said:

 

In short, we need WG to make the black market customer friendly. I did already point this out last year but apparently that wasn't passed to the developers somehow.

 

 

What black market you been to thats customer friendly?

 

 



Zmago5000 #9 Posted 07 February 2020 - 12:37 PM

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so we get now info upfront from them or vice versa?

tajj7 #10 Posted 07 February 2020 - 12:41 PM

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Mistake or not, it makes a nonsense of the times having to be the same for all servers. 

 

Which means WOT EU could easily change the times to actually suit this playerbase, not the Russian one. 



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View Posttajj7, on 07 February 2020 - 12:41 PM, said:

Mistake or not, it makes a nonsense of the times having to be the same for all servers. 

 

Which means WOT EU could easily change the times to actually suit this playerbase, not the Russian one. 

Ofc they can but they just don't care about eu playerbase



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View PostCeeb, on 07 February 2020 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

What black market you been to thats customer friendly?

 

 

 

In the Netherlands they are, been to a couple.

 

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View PostBalc0ra, on 07 February 2020 - 12:23 AM, said:

Because NA did screw up and it did not appear at the planned time. So they shifted it. But as you can see. They tossed it all over the place vs at set times with 12-hour intervals. Sure you reach out to more on one. But then again the next offer most have already left for work etc.

 

View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 07 February 2020 - 12:30 AM, said:

 

Mmmm...I'm not sure how they made it work with 3 separate times.

 

It's not 3 separate times, it's three different time zones (Pacific, Central, Eastern).  The EU just give out Central Europe time but they could put it out with 04:00 UTC / 05:00 CET / 06:00 EET but when they have done that in the past it caused as much confusion as just putting out CET.



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View PostCeeb, on 07 February 2020 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

What black market you been to thats customer friendly?

 

 

 

I have read that you can order certain things in that category over the phone and they will be delivered to your door in 20 minutes.


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View PostGrannyPanties, on 07 February 2020 - 12:59 AM, said:

So this beg to the question, why can't EU server do the same?

https://worldoftanks...ck-market-0220/

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because north americans are a lot smarter than europe when it comes to business. A lot. 



DaniulSims #16 Posted 08 February 2020 - 11:41 AM

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There's also the possibility of them having set the time to accomodate for the NA's most populated timezone.

 

That's a bit harder for EU since we have a far larger audience, and even then, if it were to happen, I'm sure the forums would be flooded with complaints regardless. We're quite adept at being entitled.



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View Posttajj7, on 07 February 2020 - 11:41 AM, said:

Mistake or not, it makes a nonsense of the times having to be the same for all servers. 

 

Which means WOT EU could easily change the times to actually suit this playerbase, not the Russian one. 

That's not the case, if it was easy it would be done. There's A LOT of things we/I can't share that influence the decisions and the time slot. The feedback has been gathered and will be put forward, but so far the black market is working as we hoped and the changes and risks of changing as of right now will not fix anything but risk breaking it. Hopefully this helps. 

 

View PostCobra6, on 07 February 2020 - 11:29 AM, said:

We don't need shifted time schedules.

 

We need WG to instead of dumping say 4000 tanks at once, make 1000 available 5, 1000 at 6, 1000 at 7 and 1000 at 8. That way everyone has a chance to get something instead of just those that don't have daytime jobs.

Oh and obviously, if not all 1000 are sold at any particular time, those get added to the next hour, they don't "vanish".

 

In short, we need WG to make the black market customer friendly. I did already point this out last year but apparently that wasn't passed to the developers somehow.

 

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As above, there's a lot more to it and feedback is always gathered and received, but as I've said many times, does not mean that it will be taken into account going forward, it's considered but not enacted. 

 

View PostDaniulSims, on 08 February 2020 - 10:41 AM, said:

There's also the possibility of them having set the time to accomodate for the NA's most populated timezone.

 

That's a bit harder for EU since we have a far larger audience, and even then, if it were to happen, I'm sure the forums would be flooded with complaints regardless. We're quite adept at being entitled.

As you mention there's a great deal of time zone difference for NA while the same cannot be said for EU :) 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 08 February 2020 - 10:47 AM, said:

 Hopefully this helps. 

 

 

Not really, pretty much 80% of the offers I can access (unless its an auction) because of the times, I am either in bed or at work, and I believe though I am GMT, its not really much better for the vast majority of Europe either who are CET as very few working people are up at 5am or home by 5pm. 

 

I mean yeh its good the feedback has been noted, but similar feedback was given last time and the times went one hour EARLIER so are even more inconvenient for many players. Which doesn't really bode well for this feedback. 

 

It still seems pretty obvious to me and many others that their are solutions available that are a lot better than the current implementation.  It's been a pretty much fail event so far in terms of the EU playerbase so far, plenty of negative feedback about the times and then you messed up the 76i as well. 



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View Posttajj7, on 08 February 2020 - 12:08 PM, said:

Not really, pretty much 80% of the offers I can access (unless its an auction) because of the times, I am either in bed or at work, and I believe though I am GMT, its not really much better for the vast majority of Europe either who are CET as very few working people are up at 5am or home by 5pm. 

I mean yeh its good the feedback has been noted, but similar feedback was given last time and the times went one hour EARLIER so are even more inconvenient for many players. Which doesn't really bode well for this feedback. 

It still seems pretty obvious to me and many others that their are solutions available that are a lot better than the current implementation.  It's been a pretty much fail event so far in terms of the EU playerbase so far, plenty of negative feedback about the times and then you messed up the 76i as well. 

 

Now that we've seen how the offers have gone, it wouldn't even matter if the times suited you, me or Australia. The offers that sold out, did so almost immediately and the offers that didn't get sold out were up for 12h and they still didn't get sold out. This is simply a case that you and some other people do not like that the times don't suit you. The thing is that if the times suited you, they largely wouldn't suit me. Would you then listen to me comment the exact same thing as you are commenting now, and would you support them to change the times to fit me instead of you? The answer is of course a solid 'no' which is to be expected, cause why would you give up the time that suits you for a time that doesn't. That is something you and plenty others need to understand. It's just tough luck and you would be saying the same to me if the times were different.


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View PostLethalWalou, on 08 February 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

The thing is that if the times suited you, they largely wouldn't suit me. Would you then listen to me comment the exact same thing as you are commenting now, and would you support them to change the times to fit me instead of you? The answer is of course a solid 'no' which is to be expected, cause why would you give up the time that suits you for a time that doesn't. That is something you and plenty others need to understand. It's just tough luck and you would be saying the same to me if the times were different.

 

it's Europe man; it has 3 frigging time zones between the whole continent. It's really remarkable to make a schedule that doesn't fit any of the timezones. I'm EET(which probably is the best case scenario) and 6 pm is still too early for anyone working and 6am... well, it's f 6 am.

 

also, why the f do they have to be 12 hours apart? It's dumb as crap. If you want to make 2 offers/day, make them at the two most active periods. Not this OCD schedule "they must be 12h apart" which means 6am or such [edited]...






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