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TheNightFox #1 Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:06 PM

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The answer is mathematics. WG makes changes a little complicated, so lazy peeps don't do the math, and WG CMs point out the pluses and say that they're balancing the minuses (without getting into any calculus ofc). The way to objectively appreciate whether it's good or bad is to count how much you get per hour of gameplay. In the end that's the end measure. And to quantify into that every reward, I mean the final rewards as well as the intermediate and end battle ones.

 

Work on it half an hour and you'll figure out (but we don't have a figure of how many points are required to get to stage 15, so I approximated 20000 points) that there are minuses:

- credit per hour is worse

- bonds reward is (way) smaller

- gold reward is gone

- credit boosters are gone

- consumables are gone

- premium tanks are gone

 

and pluses:

+ you'll get 2 T9 reward tanks instead of just 1, for LESS total work that the T9 last year required.

 

So it's pretty simple:

- you value T9 reward tanks (which are non-premium, bear that in mind) more than everything in the minus section? Go for it.

- you play the mode for fun, not for the rewards? Go for it

- you are mainly after rewards? You've got a worse deal than last year, think twice about participating.

 

You're interested about the math behind all this? I might spend the time to post it for you, I might not. I have a life dude :)

 

 

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Balc0ra #2 Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:29 PM

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Sure I suspect SH is as little rewarding in terms of credits as before vs FL.

 

But... cons aside. The good aspect is, that if you only want one tank. You don't have to play both modes for weeks on end to get it as far as I got it. And that's a good thing. As the French med is the only thing I'm interested in.



hellhound6 #3 Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:32 PM

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when its starting?

Kill_Broccoli #4 Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:37 PM

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View PostTheNightFox, on 13 February 2020 - 04:06 PM, said:

- credit per hour is worse

- bonds reward is (way) smaller

- gold reward is gone

- credit boosters are gone

- consumables are gone

- premium tanks are gone

 

And this is compared to what?



unhappy__bunny #5 Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:41 PM

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View PostTheNightFox, on 13 February 2020 - 03:06 PM, said:

 

So it's pretty simple:

- you value T9 reward tanks (which are non-premium, bear that in mind) more than everything in the minus section? Go for it.

- you play the mode for fun, not for the rewards? Go for it

- you are mainly after rewards? You've got a worse deal than last year, think twice about participating.

 

 

 

 

 

I like simples.

I play the mode (and the game) for fun. Any rewards I get are a bonus.



Balc0ra #6 Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:46 PM

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View Posthellhound6, on 13 February 2020 - 04:32 PM, said:

when its starting?

 

2nd week of March iirc.



DangerMouse #7 Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:48 PM

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How do you know credits per hour is worse, most of it comes from how much damage you can farm in a game?

Flicka #8 Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:51 PM

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They should add a different mode with much better rewards for the whiners to, like something that requires you to play around 15 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 8 months, but then at the end you can get everything in game, and all bonds and all gold and all ladies….think I got lost somewhere in there...

RaxipIx #9 Posted 13 February 2020 - 05:05 PM

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I think it's far better. I really didn't like last years FL uber grind. Yes it's fun, but not 10 season of getting to level 30 fun. At stage 4 i couldn't bring myself to play it any more, unless a friend asked me to platoon.

 

I just hope they will do FL, SH,FL and so on. For a bit of diversity and change of scenery:)



SOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY #10 Posted 13 February 2020 - 05:25 PM

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View PostDangerMouse, on 13 February 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

How do you know credits per hour is worse, most of it comes from how much damage you can farm in a game?

He probably refers to the lack of credit boosters as opposed to last year which you can activate not only in randoms but during FL too


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baratoz1701 #11 Posted 13 February 2020 - 05:35 PM

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oh ae phase 1 doesn't make extra creds? didnt relise that (i dont have it), but i guess it just saves a bit having the built in repair kit

FatigueGalaxy #12 Posted 13 February 2020 - 07:00 PM

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Where did you get that info, because I've read the article 3 times and still didn't find any info you mention.

View PostTheNightFox, on 13 February 2020 - 04:06 PM, said:

 

 

Work on it half an hour and you'll figure out (but we don't have a figure of how many points are required to get to stage 15, so I approximated 20000 points) that there are minuses:

- credit per hour is worse Why?

- bonds reward is (way) smaller You can farm bonds with missions after completing a stage.

- gold reward is gone Shame.

- credit boosters are gone No info AFAIK.

- consumables are gone They are not and only Airstrike got some changes.

- premium tanks are gone They are not since they mention rental premiums in the article.

 

 

 



Sylvansight #13 Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:26 PM

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How many hours of grinding for 12 tokens, that's the only metric I'm interested in.  snooze line.

TheNightFox #14 Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:39 PM

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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 13 February 2020 - 07:00 PM, said:


Where did you get that info, because I've read the article 3 times and still didn't find any info you mention.

 

 


I can help you about some of those.

Credit per hour is worse - I meant the reward credits per stages - there are less stages, each costs more points than last year, and reward per stage is less. look into it, you'll see I'm right

bonds reward is (way) smaller- missions for bonds - aye, but you won't have time for those missions; most people won't can farm bonds with missions after completing a stage.

consumables are gone - I meant reward consumables (repair kits and such)

credit boosters are gone - same, I meant in stage rewards. At level 30 you used to get 5 reserves, there is not such thing this year. info is out there

premium tanks are gone - SAME, you don't get prems for free anymore, that is GONE; rentals are still here indeed

 

I hope that was helpful.

T hey are not and only Airstrike got some changes.

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 13 February 2020 - 04:41 PM, said:

 

I like simples.

I play the mode (and the game) for fun. Any rewards I get are a bonus.


It's one of those options that I added at the end. Good for you ;)

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View PostKill_Broccoli, on 13 February 2020 - 04:37 PM, said:

 

And this is compared to what?


To 2019.



the_nebuchadnezzar #15 Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:43 PM

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The new system is better then what happend last year. I did get to max level but I still have nightmares when think about it. 

 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 13 February 2020 - 04:29 PM, said:

Sure I suspect SH is as little rewarding in terms of credits as before vs FL.

 

But... cons aside. The good aspect is, that if you only want one tank. You don't have to play both modes for weeks on end to get it as far as I got it. And that's a good thing. As the French med is the only thing I'm interested in.


That's right. You can play as much as you enjoy, and probably still get one tank.

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View PostDangerMouse, on 13 February 2020 - 04:48 PM, said:

How do you know credits per hour is worse, most of it comes from how much damage you can farm in a game?


In stage rewards there is less silver (less stages, smaller rewards, each stage is more costly in points needed - based on their comment that it's not half the points, but more). After battle, I dunno about that, I think it didn't change.

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 13 February 2020 - 11:43 PM, said:

The new system is better then what happend last year. I did get to max level but I still have nightmares when think about it. 

 


Aye, I agree with that. I did the same, I know what you're talking about. :D

The system is better, rewards are worse (for most players). Interesting right? WG ;)


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