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Overlord93 #1 Posted 13 February 2020 - 10:35 PM

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Just noticed i could get one for blueprints, but i don't want to make the same mistake again like i did with E-100 and Type 4.

Can it hold up when you hide lower plate?

 

Im also interested in Obj 704A, but that would require long [edited]grind that im not in the mood to do.



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Armor is very good but gun not so much.

MeNoobTank #3 Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:01 PM

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Not very good. Hull is paper for 340 HEAT rounds. You better go with Obj 277. It is just better in every single way except for the armor that will get penned by gold anyway.

ValkyrionX_TV #4 Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:12 PM

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the obj705a is very fun to play and imo is a very nice tank 

SirTogII #5 Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:59 PM

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It’s a decent all rounder. Pretty mobile, great turret, Russian side armour. Downside is frontal hull gets penned by heat or even standard shells if angled that expose flat pike nose sides. Better than E100 and IS4 for sure.

gitgud_cannot #6 Posted 14 February 2020 - 12:56 AM

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705a is definitely not a fun tank to play, that gun is just so freaking bad.. and as a rear turreted HT it should be great at sidescraping, oh wait - it only has 100 side armor, so it cant sidescrape, as soon as you overangle just a tiny bit, you get penetrated through front drive-wheel and get set on fire at the same time.

IS-7 is still great, but its useless without apcr, same as e100 is useless without its cheat. If we talk about is-7 armor, if you can use it, it still has one of the best armor layouts, i have done quite some HT missions with it.

this was some time ago, but here you go HT-12 for obj 260 with is-7 just for example, i had my lfp covered in a dip on field and thats about it :D

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p.s. i have sold my 705a quite some time ago, its one of those occasions, when i actually hate the tank so much i sell it.

I have sold a few btw - 705a, k-91(it just doesnt work), 268, 268/4(never played it before nerf, after nerf its trash), amx 30b(probably will rebuy this one, i just didnt have extra crew), t110e3(supposedly strongest armor in game frontally, too bad lfp get wrecked by even by tier 8s with AP, so it can only camp hulldown), t110e5(another murican tank that gets rekt by tier 8s with AP), Sheridan(bad medium tank), i think thats it :D


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So i actually tried it in test server and it's not bad at all, but not as good as i expected, mobility was a letdown. I mean sure it can hit good top speed, but traverse speed is atrocious and makes whole tank handling awkward, also acceleration is surprisingly sluggish considering specific power. Turret armor is godlike, but i noticed even upper hull plate is vary vulnerable to HEAT.

I tried some other tier X tanks and have concluded that no matter what tank/armor/angle/position you take it's not gonna stop JgdPz E-100 HEAT round.

In conclusion all tanks are obsolete and JgdPz E-100 is only tier X vehicle worth playing, everything else is cannon fodder for JgdPz E-100 and maybe bobject (haven't played that one yet).



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View PostOverlord93, on 14 February 2020 - 02:35 AM, said:

So i actually tried it in test server and it's not bad at all, but not as good as i expected, mobility was a letdown. I mean sure it can hit good top speed, but traverse speed is atrocious and makes whole tank handling awkward, also acceleration is surprisingly sluggish considering specific power. Turret armor is godlike, but i noticed even upper hull plate is vary vulnerable to HEAT.

I tried some other tier X tanks and have concluded that no matter what tank/armor/angle/position you take it's not gonna stop JgdPz E-100 HEAT round.

In conclusion all tanks are obsolete and JgdPz E-100 is only tier X vehicle worth playing, everything else is cannon fodder for JgdPz E-100 and maybe bobject (haven't played that one yet).

bobject is not worth it, jpze100 is not really a good tank either. that 420 heat is all that it has. bobject probably was great before nerf, after nerf its trash.



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View Postgitgud_cannot, on 14 February 2020 - 12:42 AM, said:

bobject is not worth it, jpze100 is not really a good tank either. that 420 heat is all that it has. bobject probably was great before nerf, after nerf its trash.

So what is a good tank at tier 10? Object 430U?



snowlywhite #10 Posted 14 February 2020 - 04:39 AM

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you want it; it's as newbie friendly as you'll ever get as a heavy.

 

not the best gun; not the best armor(you won't be able to make it impenetrable no matter how you angle it - basically you can't angle it), but extremely forgiving. Armor is extremely trollish, turret is... well, it's is-7 turret, snapshots well while not very accurate, is fast.

 

looking at your stats, you won't play well in t10. Otoh, if you never play t10, you'll never play well either. Probably best place to start in t10.

 

p.s. - between this and 277, you want this any day.

 

also, if you want to bounce high pen heat on flat ground while hiding only the lower plate, beside german... not really. And even then, e100 needs to be pretty much perfectly angled. With almost no room for error. But ok, e100 is less about bouncing and more about trading.

 

if you're willing to artificially increase your upper plate angle by climbing a bit on the rubble that hides your lfp, you have more options. But on flat, not really. Anyway, probably nothing that does over 30km/h.


Edited by snowlywhite, 14 February 2020 - 05:11 AM.


SOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY #11 Posted 14 February 2020 - 06:04 AM

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View PostOverlord93, on 14 February 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

So i actually tried it in test server and it's not bad at all, but not as good as i expected, mobility was a letdown. I mean sure it can hit good top speed, but traverse speed is atrocious and makes whole tank handling awkward, also acceleration is surprisingly sluggish considering specific power. Turret armor is godlike, but i noticed even upper hull plate is vary vulnerable to HEAT.

I tried some other tier X tanks and have concluded that no matter what tank/armor/angle/position you take it's not gonna stop JgdPz E-100 HEAT round.

i agree with this evaluation of the IS7. Add in terrible DPM.

But not all tanks are obsolete ofc, and I doubt jageroo is that good.

Wz 5A and (probably) obj 277 are flat out better than is7 which make it kind of obsolete, but not terrible. Even obj 430U can fill in a similar role as is7 and do many things better.

But when facing tier 8s, I'd pick is7 over those tanks.

It is still the ultimate hulldown (but not on ridgelines) monster and the ultimate facehugging monster (as long as enemy tank isnt a lot taller than you). As a bonus, It can ram better than an E50.

 

Overall what are good tanks?

There are two types of good (tech tree) tanks, good specalists and good generalists.

Good specialists at tier 10 IMO are:

E3, strv, kranvagn, maus (maybe leo, maybe 60tp).

Good generalists are:

430u, 277, wz 1115a, conqueror, obj 140, stb1, progretto (maybe patton?).

 

 

And then there is the 279 e which overshadows everything else and will become even better after ammo rework.


Edited by SOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY, 14 February 2020 - 06:24 AM.


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IS-7 has been buffed several times over the years to keep up with the powercreep, unlike e.g. E-100. Turret is virtually impenetrable, even from the sides, it gets a lot of trolly bounces both on the hull and flat side, though along its side it has a weak strip that lets everything slip through, even when sidescraping perfectly, so one can get a few troll pens on it here and there as well.

 

What hasn't been mentioned yet is that IS-7 is one of the most resilient tanks in the game against high explosive shells, the frontal armor  and turret is thick everywhere, so the usual trick of HE to the turret roof or lower gun mantlet to splash the hull roof doesn't work on the IS-7. in cases you would do 3-400 on a Maus or Type 5 you do 100-150 on an IS-7.



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View PostOverlord93, on 14 February 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

Just noticed i could get one for blueprints, but i don't want to make the same mistake again like i did with E-100 and Type 4.

Can it hold up when you hide lower plate?

 

Im also interested in Obj 704A, but that would require long [edited]grind that im not in the mood to do.

 

Personally, I haven't play it yet. But I know and seen how does the ruski armour works, bounces even when fire from sides and rear (?!).

 

But I've played 705A, the only good thing about this tank is how it looks. Gun handling is a joke, if you over angle the sidescraping a little bit? You're side becomes cheese. But the most hated thing about it is "we dinged them!" 100m "we tracked them!"  50m "it was close!". 

I hope you got my point. :popcorn:



ilmavarvas #14 Posted 14 February 2020 - 08:16 AM

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Definitely not so good as used to be, I think that most of them that say it's so good refer to memories from the past when they've played the tank... Gun is bad, penetration is bad (unless you load gold and even then it's sub-par), armor used to hold nicely but not that much anymore in normal golden shower.

 

Still nice when you get to be top tier, it's great for bullying tier 8 & 9, but loses that when full tier X matchup.



TankkiPoju #15 Posted 14 February 2020 - 08:50 AM

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IS7 is just fine at the moment. It has plenty of armor, when compared to the mobility it also has. Sure, it's lacking in DPM when compared to new heavies, and Obj277 is probably a better tank in capable hands.

 

IS7 becomes better especially once you upgrade to APCR as default ammo.



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View PostMeNoobTank, on 13 February 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Not very good. Hull is paper for 340 HEAT rounds. You better go with Obj 277. It is just better in every single way except for the armor that will get penned by gold anyway.

This guy is talking shat.

 

Frontal armour is just fine whatever is shooting at you so long as you have lower plate covered and you face them straight on.

 

Plan where you want to go at the beginning of the game and try to course a straight line there, if you turn you lose speed. If you can factor in going down a hill, awesome, you will reach 60kph.

 

If you want to be a big dog load full APCR which are quite cheap for the IS7 and maybe 2-3 HE for the bants. You may have problems penning Type 5s and anything like an E3 if he knows how to play well but it is quite satisfying just sitting with our turret hanging out infront of JagPe100's and E3s,E4s firing prem.

 

Really low requirements for 3 marks too, like 3.8 combined.

 

 

 

 



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I didn't say that is not a good tank itself, I said that is not very good compared to Obj 277 because the only thing it has better it is the hull armor that can be pened very easy with special ammo that everyone is using nowdays.

 

I had alot of fun with IS-7 on the 7v7 mode where not many gold rounds were shot.



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The armour is fine but having 303mm of APCR pen is atrocious. 

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View Post24doom24, on 14 February 2020 - 02:18 PM, said:

The armour is fine but having 303mm of APCR pen is atrocious. 

303 apcr is still way better than 300-310 heat though ;)



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View Postgitgud_cannot, on 14 February 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

303 apcr is still way better than 300-310 heat though ;)

The Kranvagn has that kind of heat but it's an autoloader so its not that comparable. Most other single shot heavies have 340 heat. Funnily enough the Obj-257 has 315mm heat. I wonder if there are any other tier 10s that actually downgrades premium ammo pen when they go up a tier:D

 

Also I prefer heat over apcr because it doesn't lose pen over distance and doesn't ricochet from the tiniest slopes (apcr shells have huge pen drop off). On some tanks like 430U the heat shell velocity is almost identical to regular ammo. Yeah sure, it sucks against spaced armour but I wouldn't be shooting at it in the first place since I know how the shell works.


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