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autofireon #1 Posted 16 February 2020 - 03:23 PM

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Please nerf the Object 430u, i was playing in my Conqueror with everything maxed, but that thing has bettet armor, a better gun, better mobility and better camo, and if it fires heat u litterally cant do anything because penetrating it is aparantly not an option even with premium rounds 

_Sylent_ #2 Posted 16 February 2020 - 03:29 PM

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talking the guy with experience in game...

shikaka9 #3 Posted 16 February 2020 - 03:31 PM

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Overlord93 #4 Posted 16 February 2020 - 03:35 PM

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At least it's not JgdPz E-100 or that british deathstar

BQBD #5 Posted 16 February 2020 - 11:03 PM

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45.78% this claim is true :P

Dava_117 #6 Posted 16 February 2020 - 11:20 PM

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View Postautofireon, on 16 February 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

Please nerf the Object 430u, i was playing in my Conqueror with everything maxed, but that thing has bettet armor, a better gun, better mobility and better camo, and if it fires heat u litterally cant do anything because penetrating it is aparantly not an option even with premium rounds 

 

Well, turret lower part, near the gun is 300mm, so Conqueror APCR should be enought to pen it there.

Then, if you get closer, you can aim for the hull roof, that is 30mm thick, so your 120mm AP will overmatch it at any angle.



Spurtung #7 Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:14 AM

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I knew what was happening the moment I read OP's name.

Yakito #8 Posted 17 February 2020 - 05:18 AM

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Super conqueror has more hp, DPM and penetration. Practice shooting weaker spots and you should be fine.

Yakito #9 Posted 17 February 2020 - 05:55 AM

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Phone had a brain fart. Double post. 

Edited by Yakito, 17 February 2020 - 05:55 AM.


TankkiPoju #10 Posted 17 February 2020 - 07:51 AM

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View Postautofireon, on 16 February 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

a better gun

 

Fake news.



trispect #11 Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:37 AM

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View PostYakito, on 17 February 2020 - 06:18 AM, said:

Super conqueror has more hp, DPM and penetration. Practice shooting weaker spots and you should be fine.

He doesn't have Super Conqueror.



splash_time #12 Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:40 AM

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Well, you obviously have better gun dep, better reload and accuracy, you had to fire APCR at the frontal armour of the turret, next to the gun. Plus, you've could spam HE and walk on his nerves. :P

xJTB #13 Posted 17 February 2020 - 02:21 PM

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View Posttrispect, on 17 February 2020 - 08:37 AM, said:

He doesn't have Super Conqueror.


This.
OP is comparing a T9 heavy to a T10 medium. It's only natural to lose that fight.



m1x_angelico #14 Posted 17 February 2020 - 02:38 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 16 February 2020 - 11:20 PM, said:

Well, turret lower part, near the gun is 300mm, so Conqueror APCR should be enought to pen it there.

Then, if you get closer, you can aim for the hull roof, that is 30mm thick, so your 120mm AP will overmatch it at any angle.

 

This. OP you just need to learn where to shoot it and where not to shoot it.



Richthoffen #15 Posted 17 February 2020 - 03:20 PM

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wg tried to nerf it but came to the conclusion that was impossible as it is already weak

SastusBulbas #16 Posted 17 February 2020 - 03:42 PM

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Was repeatedly wrecked more than a couple of times in my T95 and later E3 by heat spamming 430U's and at the distances I lol at anyone saying aim for weakspots.

 

LOL

 

See, I told you...



r2pp2r #17 Posted 17 February 2020 - 03:43 PM

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Iz balance, nothing wrong, move on...

pecopad #18 Posted 17 February 2020 - 03:59 PM

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View Postautofireon, on 16 February 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

Please nerf the Object 430u, i was playing in my Conqueror with everything maxed, but that thing has bettet armor, a better gun, better mobility and better camo, and if it fires heat u litterally cant do anything because penetrating it is aparantly not an option even with premium rounds 


Conqueror is not a good tank, anyone will pen its frontal weakspots,not just the 430U



4nt #19 Posted 17 February 2020 - 04:14 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 17 February 2020 - 12:14 AM, said:

I knew what was happening the moment I read OP's name.

I guess autoaimon was taken?

 

Though agreed partly- many high pen tanks have problems with 430U. Not that it's too new a problem, ever since t-54s soupbowl turret was buffed the russki meds have had disporpotionaly tough turrets. 430U is horrible because it has so tough hull in addition to other strong points of russki meds.

 

I doubt it'd kill the line if some frontal armor would be shaved off UFP/LFP.



ValkyrionX_TV #20 Posted 17 February 2020 - 04:17 PM

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it seems to me that many of you have confused ideas about this game.

 

The 9 Conqueror tier is one of the best tier 9 heavy tanks in the game.
The 430u is a tier X medium tank and comparing it to a tier 9 of a different class makes no logical sense.

 

First point, the Conqueror is a vehicle that must play by showing only the turret, in fact like the tier X does not have a great armor on the hull but has its strong point in its excellent gun depression and extremely precise gun.

The 430U is a medium tank with greater mobility, a decidedly less precise gun and the classic gun depression you have on the Russian vehicles that does not allow the vehicle great opportunities to use the depressions of the terrain to its advantage.


As far as the armor of the 430u is concerned, I think that of the turret must be nerfed because the domes are too small and on average they have a 330mm of armor.
The hull in my opinion is well armored but not op and does not seem so unbalanced, probably to make this vehicle less effective wg should reduce the rotation speed of the hull as it is really too fast for the style of play it should have.

 






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