Jump to content


ST-II Weak


  • Please log in to reply
14 replies to this topic

roboslash #1 Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:52 PM

    Lance-corporal

  • Player
  • 11962 battles
  • 91
  • Member since:
    04-11-2012

Yeah... this tank feels so underwhelming on so many levels. 

Slow, bad turret traverse speed. Doesn't have the armor to back it up. The lower plate and cupola are really weak. 

 

The tank has 30mm top plates everywhere. This means I lose a lot of crew members and take a lot of HE damage front large caliber guns and arty.

 

I think it needs a small buff. I would personally buff top plates to 45 mm maybe, lower plate buff and turret traverse speed buff. Then it would be quite good actually but not OP.



Nitro_Tank #2 Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:55 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 8020 battles
  • 369
  • Member since:
    08-07-2011
But its a ruski tank, no way it is anything but top-tier!

ValkyrionX_TV #3 Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:55 PM

    Lieutenant Сolonel

  • Moderator
  • 56400 battles
  • 3,112
  • [RDDT] RDDT
  • Member since:
    02-07-2015
:facepalm:

Flicka #4 Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:55 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 23708 battles
  • 430
  • [CELL] CELL
  • Member since:
    10-25-2011

You seem to be doing rather well in yours, so it might be decent after all.

 

And all those remarks are eerily similar to what QB said about the tank.

 

Maybe it is just a decent tank, and maybe the tier IX one is just better tier for tier, we have enough of those kind of tanks anyhow.



roboslash #5 Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:57 PM

    Lance-corporal

  • Player
  • 11962 battles
  • 91
  • Member since:
    04-11-2012

View PostFlicka, on 18 February 2020 - 04:55 PM, said:

You seem to be doing rather well in yours, so it might be decent after all.

 

And all those remarks are eerily similar to what QB said about the tank.

 

Maybe it is just a decent tank, and maybe the tier IX one is just better tier for tier, we have enough of those kind of tanks anyhow.

 Yes weirdly enough it's the heavy which I have highest DPG in currently. It's just that the tank feels awkward. It has the speed of a superheavy but doesn't have the armor. I play it more like a support-heavy though it trails behind due to the poor mobility.


Edited by roboslash, 18 February 2020 - 04:58 PM.


shikaka9 #6 Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:58 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 76568 battles
  • 1,968
  • [-SJA-] -SJA-
  • Member since:
    02-27-2013
because its tier 9 :)

GrannyPanties #7 Posted 18 February 2020 - 05:01 PM

    Corporal

  • Player
  • 2132 battles
  • 163
  • Member since:
    12-27-2014
that because it a tier 9 tank that has a double barrel thrown on for laughs and put into tier 10 mm

Edited by GrannyPanties, 18 February 2020 - 05:01 PM.


ChristOfTheAbyss #8 Posted 18 February 2020 - 05:31 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 251 battles
  • 893
  • Member since:
    07-22-2019
Its really bad indeed. Like it has been said, its t9 with 2 guns at t10. No wonder it doesnt perform.

24doom24 #9 Posted 18 February 2020 - 05:48 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 9202 battles
  • 1,210
  • [WW3] WW3
  • Member since:
    10-20-2012
I thought the meme was "E50M weak" :trollface:

NUKLEAR_SLUG #10 Posted 18 February 2020 - 08:01 PM

    Major General

  • Player
  • 36329 battles
  • 5,635
  • [FISHY] FISHY
  • Member since:
    06-13-2015

View Postroboslash, on 18 February 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Yeah... this tank feels so underwhelming on so many levels. 

Slow, bad turret traverse speed. Doesn't have the armor to back it up. The lower plate and cupola are really weak. 

 

The tank has 30mm top plates everywhere. This means I lose a lot of crew members and take a lot of HE damage front large caliber guns and arty.

 

I think it needs a small buff. I would personally buff top plates to 45 mm maybe, lower plate buff and turret traverse speed buff. Then it would be quite good actually but not OP.

 

So what you're saying is it's balanced?



roboslash #11 Posted 18 February 2020 - 08:46 PM

    Lance-corporal

  • Player
  • 11962 battles
  • 91
  • Member since:
    04-11-2012

View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 18 February 2020 - 08:01 PM, said:

 

So what you're saying is it's balanced?

 

Well, if this tank has so many weaknesses, every other T10 should too. But the we have examples of EBR, cheiftans, 279e to name a few.

Not to even mention the plethora of competitive tech tree heavy tanks as well. The ST-II is slightly weak, period.



gitgud_cannot #12 Posted 18 February 2020 - 09:01 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 33228 battles
  • 1,852
  • Member since:
    10-31-2013
then dont play with that crap. There are plenty of weak and useless tier 10 tanks.

ortega456 #13 Posted 21 February 2020 - 02:47 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 69074 battles
  • 1,213
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    06-08-2012

Yeah, can confirm.

Just started playing this piece of crap. Will ACE and sell it asap.

Good lord is this tank bad. So slow and inflexible. And why nerf it artificially by giving it the ST-1 gun but nerfing premium ammo pen?? WTF? Isn't f...ucking nerfing the turret traverse and speed enough?

I see buffs in coming after that line becomes super unpopular and then they'll make it op.

 

Goddamnit why did I fall for the trap once again...



tajj7 #14 Posted 21 February 2020 - 03:00 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Player
  • 29299 battles
  • 17,537
  • [RGT] RGT
  • Member since:
    03-30-2014

View Postroboslash, on 18 February 2020 - 07:46 PM, said:

 

Well, if this tank has so many weaknesses, every other T10 should too. But the we have examples of EBR, cheiftans, 279e to name a few.

Not to even mention the plethora of competitive tech tree heavy tanks as well. The ST-II is slightly weak, period.

 

EBR has loads of weaknesses. Chieftais and 279es need toning down, not other tanks buffing up. 

 

And this tank has the flexibility and high alpha strike that other tier 10 heavies simply don't have, you have the option of single shot, double shot or a two shot autoloader, whilst something like a 60tp does less alpha than the double strike with a long reload, worse gun handling and none of the flexibility.

 

That needs balancing out, so it was never going to be more than average elsewhere when it has such a high potential gun. 

 

I suspect we will see that actually it performs pretty decently overall and we should applaud WG for not introducing more power creep, a lot of their more recent tier 10 heavies have been power creep. 

 

I can't really see how this tank is any worse than tanks like the 60tp, IS7, E100, T57, Panzer VII etc. and that should be about the standard of tier 10 heavies IMO, it being worse than 279es and Chieftains is a good thing, even like the 260 and 5A need toning down a little bit. 



ortega456 #15 Posted 21 February 2020 - 05:48 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 69074 battles
  • 1,213
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    06-08-2012

View Posttajj7, on 21 February 2020 - 03:00 PM, said:

 

EBR has loads of weaknesses. Chieftais and 279es need toning down, not other tanks buffing up. 

 

And this tank has the flexibility and high alpha strike that other tier 10 heavies simply don't have, you have the option of single shot, double shot or a two shot autoloader, whilst something like a 60tp does less alpha than the double strike with a long reload, worse gun handling and none of the flexibility.

 

That needs balancing out, so it was never going to be more than average elsewhere when it has such a high potential gun. 

 

I suspect we will see that actually it performs pretty decently overall and we should applaud WG for not introducing more power creep, a lot of their more recent tier 10 heavies have been power creep. 

 

I can't really see how this tank is any worse than tanks like the 60tp, IS7, E100, T57, Panzer VII etc. and that should be about the standard of tier 10 heavies IMO, it being worse than 279es and Chieftains is a good thing, even like the 260 and 5A need toning down a little bit. 

 

For ST-II the strengths don't mitigate its weeknesses. Please play the tank, try it out and then you'll notice.

The 2-shots are a nice gimmick but you can only use it in specific situations due to the double-shot pre-load. Ofter the situation (peak-a boo, tanks flashing infront of you, moving tanks etc.) changes under 2.5 seconds so you won't be able to fire double shots.

The armor is absolutely garbage due to the very frontal 250mm cupola. Trust me in close encounters hull down is a no go. Every med/heavy will easily hit and pen while you cannot do crapwith your 310mm weak [edited]heat.

The tank is so sluggish and the turret traverse so bad that you cannot react flexible to battle field situations.

 

Comparing it to other heavies like lets say 60TP it's far worse due to the cumbersome alpha damage gimmick and the far worse mobility and armor. I think WG was soo afraid of releasing an OP tank that they have released a UP tank. All it needs is the normal heat pen 340mm, normal turret traverse and a little bit more HP/t and then it's ok.
Oh and did I mention I have 34% winrate on it after some 40 games? Dealing mostly 3k damage while in the last games it dropped to an abysmal 2.6.

Sorry, this thing is just UP and nothing will change that....

 

Update:

...Well, after playing the ST-II some more I have to say it's even worse than assessed within the first 50 games. The 310 heat doesn't allow you to pen Type-5s nor E-100s nor Obj. 430Us reliably when facing them, rest is just pure crap. If you win quick you're too slow to follow the team and do damage. If it's a quick defeat you cannot retreat to get a defence position.... I guess this is easily top 5 worst tier 10 tanks and maybe even the worst for me at the moment. sitting on 45% winrate (worst of all my tanks and 14% below my average).

80 games and sitting on 45% winrate while damage per game is 500-1000 worse than in any other tier 10 (2.5k)...

What was wargaming thinking releasing such an underwhelming craptank...


Edited by ortega456, 22 February 2020 - 05:21 PM.





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users