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Lee3452 #1 Posted 19 February 2020 - 04:24 PM

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Hi Guys

 

Trying to understand spotting and camouflage. I thought I had it by watching some videos. I thought if you move or fire when behind a bush that it gave your position away. At around 13.00 Obj engages me. The first time he fired he was illuminated and backed of. So why could I not see him move back into position and also when he fired the second time? Really trying to understand mechanics of camouflage.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/5238196#live_oaks-lee3452-conqueror



Balc0ra #2 Posted 19 February 2020 - 04:45 PM

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See camo drops to a % when you fire in the open. But if you are far enough behind a bush, you get the % from that bush on top of it. A dense bush gives 50% alone. If it's a double bush he will remain capped at 80%. As that's the max % anything can have. So if he was far enough behind the 2nd time, your view range won't counter that much camo. Vs when he fired the first time and did not get enough camo from the bushes if that makes sense?

 

As your ability to spot is not just his camo, but your view range. Spotting is done at 445m max. But the more past 445m you go, the easier you will spot a high camo target. Take the obj. Mine has a 2.6% camo rating when firing stationary. My Conq has 459m view range. So with WG's own math system.  I will spot him 427m out. But with a double bush camo, I need to be 132m close to spot him firing.

 

Just watch these carefully. It will help you understand what to consider with bushes etc. Inc the spotting formula to calculate distance.

 

Spoiler

 

 



Lee3452 #3 Posted 19 February 2020 - 06:12 PM

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Distance was about 200m's I think and I doubt it was double bush. So should have seen him once he fired.

 


Edited by Lee3452, 19 February 2020 - 06:29 PM.


Inappropriate_noob #4 Posted 19 February 2020 - 07:50 PM

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View PostLee3452, on 19 February 2020 - 04:24 PM, said:

Hi Guys

 

Trying to understand spotting and camouflage. I thought I had it by watching some videos. I thought if you move or fire when behind a bush that it gave your position away. At around 13.00 Obj engages me. The first time he fired he was illuminated and backed of. So why could I not see him move back into position and also when he fired the second time? Really trying to understand mechanics of camouflage.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/5238196#live_oaks-lee3452-conqueror

Easy peasy,find a bush,camp,get out spotted,get wrecked instantly, return to garage, pick another tank.



Bigtime_Alarm #5 Posted 19 February 2020 - 08:27 PM

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Easy - you are always spotted, enemy tanks are invisible at 10m even if painted fluorescent orange and shooting at you.

splash_time #6 Posted 19 February 2020 - 08:35 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 19 February 2020 - 06:45 PM, said:

See camo drops to a % when you fire in the open. But if you are far enough behind a bush, you get the % from that bush on top of it. A dense bush gives 50% alone. If it's a double bush he will remain capped at 80%. As that's the max % anything can have. So if he was far enough behind the 2nd time, your view range won't counter that much camo. Vs when he fired the first time and did not get enough camo from the bushes if that makes sense?

 

As your ability to spot is not just his camo, but your view range. Spotting is done at 445m max. But the more past 445m you go, the easier you will spot a high camo target. Take the obj. Mine has a 2.6% camo rating when firing stationary. My Conq has 459m view range. So with WG's own math system.  I will spot him 427m out. But with a double bush camo, I need to be 132m close to spot him firing.

 

Just watch these carefully. It will help you understand what to consider with bushes etc. Inc the spotting formula to calculate distance.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

This ^ 



NUKLEAR_SLUG #7 Posted 19 February 2020 - 08:40 PM

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View PostInappropriate_noob, on 19 February 2020 - 07:50 PM, said:

Easy peasy,find a bush,camp,get out spotted,get wrecked instantly, return to garage, pick another tank.

View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 19 February 2020 - 08:27 PM, said:

Easy - you are always spotted, enemy tanks are invisible at 10m even if painted fluorescent orange and shooting at you.

 

If you spent the same amount of effort learnng the mechanics as you did derailing OPs effort to get some sensible help you would be doing a lot better in general. 



LethalWalou #8 Posted 20 February 2020 - 05:37 AM

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View PostLee3452, on 19 February 2020 - 03:24 PM, said:

Hi Guys

 

Trying to understand spotting and camouflage. I thought I had it by watching some videos. I thought if you move or fire when behind a bush that it gave your position away. At around 13.00 Obj engages me. The first time he fired he was illuminated and backed of. So why could I not see him move back into position and also when he fired the second time? Really trying to understand mechanics of camouflage.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/5238196#live_oaks-lee3452-conqueror

 

The bush wouldn't have been tall enough to hide the 268v4's spotting checkpoints. Thus the most likely explanation is that it took a shot using it's gun arc while hiding the spotting checkpoint on the top of its tank. It's located at the top, in the middle of the tank. The fact he was able to see you and take the shot was also possible due to your vision point not connecting to the 268v4's spotting checkpoints. You spot with your gun mantlet, basically. From the other person's POV, they shot you left of your vision point, into your tracks so they didn't get spotted. Factor in that the bush was a 50% bush (bushes and trees with foliage offer 50% and without foliage 25%, only exception is a mini-palm tree looking thing) and the 268v4 ''double bushed'' as in reversed at least 15m behind the bush so it offered the full camo value when the 268v4 shot.


That is the explanation of why the 268v4 was able to shoot you without being spotted by you. It's complicated indeed. I recommend watching the videos Balc0ra gave you. There's a ton of information that even iyouxin, a 5,6k wn8 player did not know about.






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