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jaxx77 #1 Posted 20 February 2020 - 11:23 AM

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Add option for us to chose to play same tier battles only. Benefits are obvious, upside- we don't face high tier opponents, downside- we are never on top.

I think many people would like that option.


Edited by jaxx77, 20 February 2020 - 11:23 AM.


Cobra6 #2 Posted 20 February 2020 - 11:27 AM

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View Postjaxx77, on 20 February 2020 - 10:23 AM, said:

Add option for us to chose to play same tier battles only. Benefits are obvious, upside- we don't face high tier opponents, downside- we are never on top.

I think many people would like that option.


No, because you won't have to spam gold ammo and you grinds won't be as needlessly painful, so you won't make WG money (indirectly).

 

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BSHDBCG #3 Posted 20 February 2020 - 11:37 AM

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Not to mention that some tanks are quite powerful for their own tier compared to others.

Dramya #4 Posted 20 February 2020 - 11:38 AM

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View Postjaxx77, on 20 February 2020 - 12:23 PM, said:

Add option for us to chose to play same tier battles only. Benefits are obvious, upside- we don't face high tier opponents, downside- we are never on top.

I think many people would like that option.

 

Please no, that way a lot of people will never learn to be a bit more careful



jaxx77 #5 Posted 20 February 2020 - 11:39 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 20 February 2020 - 11:27 AM, said:


No, because you won't have to spam gold ammo and you grinds won't be as needlessly painful, so you won't make WG money (indirectly).

 

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Let me get it clear, you don't want that option because you worry of WG income ? Firstly if they read this it is you who gave them such hint, and if you didn't there would have been higher chance for that option to appear. Second, your point is weak, because even if you indeed shot less gold, people would play more and spend on the game if they enjoy their battles more and meet less frustrating circumstances.

And if you just say NO because you think WG would never do something that potentially decreases their income then look back, they made loots of changes like that. It seems they believe improving the game will give them more benefit in long.



los_lobo #6 Posted 20 February 2020 - 11:46 AM

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I think it would be more harm than good.

 

Tough MM can make you a better player than you would be in the same tier MM. 

Also, ques would become long. WGs pref MM premiums would lose sense, and demigods like Deffender would become even bigger monsters. 

 

Although I would salute some more options for pure tier 10 MM like Grands or some other tier 10 vehicel sink that would remove a significant portion of them form tier 8 MM. 



_GrooziN_ #7 Posted 20 February 2020 - 11:51 AM

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This would probably totally screw the matchmaking. 

jaxx77 #8 Posted 20 February 2020 - 11:51 AM

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View Postlos_lobo, on 20 February 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

I think it would be more harm than good.

 

Tough MM can make you a better player than you would be in the same tier MM. 

Also, ques would become long. WGs pref MM premiums would lose sense, and demigods like Deffender would become even bigger monsters. 

 

Although I would salute some more options for pure tier 10 MM like Grands or some other tier 10 vehicel sink that would remove a significant portion of them form tier 8 MM. 

Omg, this option would be optional.. you won't face higher tier opponents but you will NEVER be top tier. So pref MM tanks would make perfect play by not chosing this option and be more in battles where they face lower tier tanks and only sometimes face higher tiers with only 1 tier difference. Que won't be more long because without that option you still play a lot in same tier battles.

Do you people always say no just to say something instead of actually think ?


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or you could just learn to play like the rest of us

_GrooziN_ #10 Posted 20 February 2020 - 12:01 PM

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Don't give them ideas, they will introduce this as part of premium account...

Balc0ra #11 Posted 20 February 2020 - 12:03 PM

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View Postjaxx77, on 20 February 2020 - 11:23 AM, said:

Add option for us to chose to play same tier battles only. Benefits are obvious, upside- we don't face high tier opponents, downside- we are never on top.

I think many people would like that option.

 

So basically a free pref MM tank for the 252 owners?

 

View Postjaxx77, on 20 February 2020 - 11:51 AM, said:

Do you people always say no just to say something instead of actually think ?

 

No, usually only to ideas we see more drawbacks to. But if they ask, we are happy to go into details. As there are power gaps on some tiers, even vs equal targets. My IS-6 do favor +1 games vs pure tier 8. Why? Because T-10's lower plate is easier to abuse with 186 pen, then the 220 actual armor on the VK 100.01 to name one. Sure it's great for some people and some tanks to get +0 all the time. But for others, it would be a farming sim vs anything else. And what about MOE's? I can farm MOE's on my tier 5 derps by being top tier all day. Not facing armored O-I's or hull down T29's I can't high roll on.

 

If WG made it equal for everyone? Sure. But as an option with the current balance and system? Not really.


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los_lobo #12 Posted 20 February 2020 - 12:04 PM

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View Postjaxx77, on 20 February 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:

Omg, this option would be optional.. you won't face higher tier opponents but you will NEVER be top tier. So pref MM tanks would make perfect play by not chosing this option and be more in battles where they face lower tier tanks and only sometimes face higher tiers with only 1 tier difference. Que won't be more long because without that option you still play a lot in same tier battles.

Do you people always say no just to say something instead of actually think ?

 

It's not about mine reading and comprehension but it seems it's about your inability to grasp a "big picture" 

What do you mean "you will NEVER be top tier", that's just a play on words on your side. You can also say "you will ALWAYS be top tier" and it's the same. 

 

You again point the word "option", I can bet you a gold type 59 (well best I can do are e25, TOGII and OBJ 260 those 3 are kind of rare...) that vast majority of the population would turn it on the moment it becomes available. 

 

Allow me to make a parallel, gold ammo is optional, but we are all having "fun" with lots of spammers.



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No.

Best option is to make -1/+1 MM. Otherwise? Nope.

 

 

 

 


_Anarchistic_ #14 Posted 20 February 2020 - 12:15 PM

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also it would ruin whats left of the history of the game with t34's, shermans, tigers, pz 4s eetc never meeting

Cobra6 #15 Posted 20 February 2020 - 12:22 PM

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View Postjaxx77, on 20 February 2020 - 10:39 AM, said:

Let me get it clear, you don't want that option because you worry of WG income ? Firstly if they read this it is you who gave them such hint, and if you didn't there would have been higher chance for that option to appear. Second, your point is weak, because even if you indeed shot less gold, people would play more and spend on the game if they enjoy their battles more and meet less frustrating circumstances.

And if you just say NO because you think WG would never do something that potentially decreases their income then look back, they made loots of changes like that. It seems they believe improving the game will give them more benefit in long.


I just gave you the reason why they won't, nothing more nothing less.

 

If you want to play single tier games, there's grand battles and skirmishes.

 

Wargaming makes money when you feel "underpowered" compared to other tanks/higher tier tanks as you'll psychologically will want to have "the best toy". Coincidentally also why most new trees have compulsory "free XP sink" tanks around Tier 7-8.

 

Making stuff available for credits instead of gold only does not decrease their income since the credit price is so high you'll need a premium tank/account to use it consistently. They just make money via the "right hand side" instead of the via the "left hand side" earlier on.

 

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View Postjaxx77, on 20 February 2020 - 10:39 AM, said:

Let me get it clear, you don't want that option because you worry of WG income ?

Surprisingly, the 4,500+ people who work for WG like to get paid....apparently it helps with rent, mortgages and buying food and other silly stuff.

There's a nasty rumour that they won't do the decent thing and work for nothing....selfish gits.



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View Postlos_lobo, on 20 February 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:

 

What do you mean "you will NEVER be top tier", that's just a play on words on your side. You can also say "you will ALWAYS be top tier" and it's the same. 

 

You will always be bottom tier and always be facing tanks which are OP in their own tier because they will get the most benefit from it.

 

In short, you won;t like it unless you are driving one of the OP tanks, and then you still probably won't like it because there will be some other OP tank on the other team.



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View PostHomer_J, on 20 February 2020 - 11:24 AM, said:

 

You will always be bottom tier and always be facing tanks which are OP in their own tier because they will get the most benefit from it.

 

In short, you won;t like it unless you are driving one of the OP tanks, and then you still probably won't like it because there will be some other OP tank on the other team.

 

Homer, like your namesake, you confuse things. I said exactly that in my first response to the OP, and then he kept pushing the narrative of not being the top tier whereas my comment on to which you reacted. 

 

And I don't like the idea of single-tier mm, which I also stated and explained in my first reply.



jaxx77 #19 Posted 20 February 2020 - 12:39 PM

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View Postlos_lobo, on 20 February 2020 - 12:30 PM, said:

 

And I don't like the idea of single-tier mm, which I also stated and explained in my first reply.

And when did you miss the part "optional" ? Or are you the type of person "If I don't get it, nobody else is going to get it" ? Deny it to everyone just because it doesn't serve you..nice


Edited by jaxx77, 20 February 2020 - 12:40 PM.


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View Postjaxx77, on 20 February 2020 - 11:23 AM, said:

Add option for us to chose to play same tier battles only. Benefits are obvious, upside- we don't face high tier opponents, downside- we are never on top.

I think many people would like that option.


Single tier will not happen because of the preferential MM. That's it. Nothing you can do about it. +-1 and +0-1 may happen.

I don't see same tier to be a good thing. It will reduce the diversity of the games too much.






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