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Nikka_Katajainen #1 Posted 24 February 2020 - 09:49 PM

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I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like I'm driving a bloody tank destroyer. :sceptic:

When I'm perfectly still and the aiming circle is fully shrunk I can expect the shots to go where I want them to, but the tiniest movement throws the accuracy out of the window.

For the record, I run vstab and my crew has BiA and gun handling perks (Snapshot, Smooth Ride) maxed out. Tank is fully upgraded too.

 

Is this a "feature" of the AMX 30, both the Tier 9 proto and the Tier 10 30B, or am I missing something? :unsure:
 



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AMX 30 gun is known to be derpy, it's the drawback for being pretty agile.. it's still a decent tank but tbh if your after playing good meds go for PTA or Stanny B because they are plainly better.

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View PostNeil_DaGrassSmokingTyson, on 24 February 2020 - 09:51 PM, said:

AMX 30 gun is known to be derpy, it's the drawback for being pretty agile.. it's still a decent tank but tbh if your after playing good meds go for PTA or Stanny B because they are plainly better.

 

The agility is also debatable tbh. The tank is fast in a straight line, but the hull traverse and ground resistance give it the turn rate of a beached whale. :sceptic:



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View Postpihip, on 24 February 2020 - 09:49 PM, said:

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like I'm driving a bloody tank destroyer. :sceptic:

When I'm perfectly still and the aiming circle is fully shrunk I can expect the shots to go where I want them to, but the tiniest movement throws the accuracy out of the window.

For the record, I run vstab and my crew has BiA and gun handling perks (Snapshot, Smooth Ride) maxed out. Tank is fully upgraded too.

 

Is this a "feature" of the AMX 30, both the Tier 9 proto and the Tier 10 30B, or am I missing something? :unsure:
 

 

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View Postpihip, on 24 February 2020 - 09:11 PM, said:

 

The agility is also debatable tbh. The tank is fast in a straight line, but the hull traverse and ground resistance give it the turn rate of a beached whale. :sceptic:

^This, the traverse is stupid slow.



_GrooziN_ #6 Posted 25 February 2020 - 12:09 PM

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Don't snipe with it. It's supposed to be mid-range hull-down brawler. 

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Funny how many AMX30 I have seen today.  A tank nobody wanted because it was so bad suddenly everyone wants so they can have a bad almost premium tank in their garage. :confused:

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View PostHomer_J, on 25 February 2020 - 01:43 PM, said:

Funny how many AMX30 I have seen today.  A tank nobody wanted because it was so bad suddenly everyone wants so they can have a bad almost premium tank in their garage. :confused:


One of the best meds on tier 9, at least when I last played it half a year ago. Why is this suddenly bad?



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View Post_GrooziN_, on 25 February 2020 - 03:02 PM, said:


One of the best meds on tier 9, at least when I last played it half a year ago. Why is this suddenly bad?

It's not bad per se, there's just no reason to play it over the Leo PTA or Standard B.



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View Post_GrooziN_, on 25 February 2020 - 01:02 PM, said:


One of the best meds on tier 9, at least when I last played it half a year ago. Why is this suddenly bad?

 

It's not. Problem is between the chair and the monitor. PTA is slightly better, but the AMX will bounce the odd shot.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 25 February 2020 - 04:49 PM, said:

 

It's not. Problem is between the chair and the monitor. PTA is slightly better, but the AMX will bounce the odd shot.

Must admit I stopped playing it around the same time, seemed to be almost in a weird way worse over the space of one weekend and it was my go to tank for farming wins..  I rebought it the other night and yes its still a decent tier 9 med but it's no pta or stanny b. I call them  second tier 9's now , the e50,46 patton and the AMX, still decent meds just not quite as good as the new kids on the block. (after buffs tm). 


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View PostNeil_DaGrassSmokingTyson, on 25 February 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Must admit I stopped playing it around the same time, seemed to be almost in a weird way worse over the space of one weekend.  I rebought it the other night and yes its still a decent tier 9 med but it's no pta or stanny b.

 

I just view it as a general medium tank, that can be useful in pretty much all tactical situations and all maps. The Standard B is a "better" tank, but you can still get into situations where your reload can make you vulnerable. At least with the AMX 30 you have the DPM to play slightly differently. The power/weight means you can relocate a little easier sometimes as well, which is crucial for a medium tank. 

 

All in all, it fills a gap between the close in medium and the sniper medium IMHO.



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View Post_GrooziN_, on 25 February 2020 - 12:09 PM, said:

Don't snipe with it. It's supposed to be mid-range hull-down brawler. 


Oh that would be fine, the mantlet is quite trollish. Problem is everyone who's not blind sees the big cupola and shoots there. :arta:

Still, I will try to be more aggressive and bring the fight closer to the reds, thanks for the tip.



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View Postpihip, on 25 February 2020 - 05:26 PM, said:

Still, I will try to be more aggressive and bring the fight closer to the reds, thanks for the tip.

 

That works best. I've just played mine on Cliff and we had North spawn, so already worse off.

 

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I did more than the two Standard B's combined, and they're good players. But as you can see 2.2k was from less than 300m. With that fast reload, you can cause real problems to the enemy if you time your shots.

 

Try pushing to key locations that help with map control. Get in early shots. Spook the enemy, then relocate. It's not a Russian medium, but it's not a TD either.

 

Also, have you got it fully upgraded as it's a real pain stock.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 25 February 2020 - 08:48 PM, said:

Also, have you got it fully upgraded as it's a real pain stock.


Fully upgraded, I mentioned that in the OP.



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I love my AMX30. Yes, it can be potato sometimes, but when it works it's an absolute beast. It's getting powercreeped a bit again after being pretty much one of the best tier 9 meds (IMHO) for a bit, but it doesn't have any real issues. It's one of those tanks that really rewards good positioning and knowing what to expect from it.. It's no 430 that you can just herpaderp around in and expect to get away with a lot of complete nonsense, but if you respect it's weaknesses, you can be very versatile and useful on pretty much every map and matchup.

 

One thing to keep in mind is that although it's paper-ish, it's not a sniper. It's fast enough to get to positions where you can have juicy sideshots and use terrain/bushes at mid/close-ish range and have a big target so even when your shot derps, it's still likely to hit something..


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I'm thinking about buying AMX 30, anyone can suggest grinding pattern for it? 

First get the gun? Or the turret? After track.

 



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View Postsplash_time, on 25 February 2020 - 09:06 PM, said:

I'm thinking about buying AMX 30, anyone can suggest grinding pattern for it? 

First get the gun? Or the turret? After track.

 

 

Get enough free xp so you don't have to deal with any of the stock guns, they're truly abysmal.

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View Postpihip, on 25 February 2020 - 08:52 PM, said:


Fully upgraded, I mentioned that in the OP.


How's your crew in it? It does pay off a ton to have a pretty good crew in it. EDIT: just read OP again, seems like a decent enough crew. In that case I'd say it's probably worth some time getting your general med play on a bit higher level. It's one of those kinda good at a ton of stuff, not great at any particular thing kind of meds that require you to know maps, tanks, weakspots and positioning well.


Edited by Mimos_A, 25 February 2020 - 09:17 PM.


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View PostMimos_A, on 25 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

 

Get enough free xp so you don't have to deal with any of the stock guns, they're truly abysmal.

 

I only have 21k free xp, (enough to only unlock the tracks (24k)).

 

I'll find my own path, but probably it's gonna be a painful one since I don't habe the good crew for it, so I'll just use stock crew I believe....






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