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Poll: Next Tier 10 to add to the garage (42 members have cast votes)

You have to complete 250 battle in order to participate this poll.

Which of the following would you recommend?

  1. IS-4 (19 votes [45.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.24%

  2. 121 (23 votes [54.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.76%

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Nikka_Katajainen #1 Posted 25 February 2020 - 10:25 AM

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I know I'm stepping on a landmine with this one, but hear me out.

As the game is now, I'm well aware neither of the options I present is a good choice, as both are old tanks and have been powercrept by newer, more competitive Tier 10s.

That being said, these are lines I opened a long time ago and would like to finish eventually - as someone said in a post some time ago, I've made the bed so might as well sleep in it. :)

 

Obviously I'm not going to take either of these in competitive game modes (I don't even play them to begin with), so rest assured you won't meet me in CWs, Ranked and the like (maybe Ranked but with all the OP pos running around it seems an exercise in frustration).

 

Also, I'm aware they are very different tanks. If it helps, I really enjoyed the old KV-1S and the Tier 7 IS/IS-2, and the IS-4 seems a logical evolution of that concept in terms of playstyle, brought to its logical extreme as far as armor and firepower go.

As for the 121, this one might be tricky to adjust to but a medium with the firepower of a heavy and good DPM to boot does not seem bad. And of course, I'm hopeful it will address most issues WZ-120 had.

And that's all, wish you luck on the battlefield. :great:

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While these are the options I have NOW, I will be grinding other lines eventually, in fact my next target is the STB-1, though it'll take some time before I get my hands on that one.



_cro_magnon #2 Posted 25 February 2020 - 10:27 AM

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This depends. Do you want to stub your toe in dark or step on a lego?

Nikka_Katajainen #3 Posted 25 February 2020 - 10:51 AM

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View Post_cro_magnon, on 25 February 2020 - 10:27 AM, said:

This depends. Do you want to stub your toe in dark or step on a lego?


Neither, this has nothing to do with what I'm asking by the way.



TankkiPoju #4 Posted 25 February 2020 - 11:01 AM

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When in doubt, always Russian.

 

You can at least move the crew to better Russian tanks from IS-4, if you want.



Flavortown #5 Posted 25 February 2020 - 11:08 AM

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I mean atleast 121 is playable, so that i guess?

Thlurp #6 Posted 25 February 2020 - 11:12 AM

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i would take 121, simply because IS-4 weakspot on turret is terrybad

_cro_magnon #7 Posted 25 February 2020 - 11:14 AM

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View Postpihip, on 25 February 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:

Neither, this has nothing to do with what I'm asking by the way.

 

It has. Both are excruciating to play.

IS-4 has neither the gun or the armor needed to do its role and 121 doesn't have the armor or the speed to its role. That said, I'd probably go for 121 because at least you can move around.



callum347 #8 Posted 25 February 2020 - 12:16 PM

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I would pick the 121 because I'm special and prefer it over the 430U

DuncaN_101 #9 Posted 25 February 2020 - 12:54 PM

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Either really.. Is4 can hold his own if used properly. Whereas the 121 has a big bloody gun.

I myself play the IS4 more than the 121 but that's mostly because I do better in heavy tanks

samuelx43a #10 Posted 25 February 2020 - 12:58 PM

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I would say the 121. Even though it is not a 430u, it still has a respectable gun and the handling is better than that of the 430u, so you may enjoy it!

24doom24 #11 Posted 25 February 2020 - 05:17 PM

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kaboom

gitgud_cannot #12 Posted 26 February 2020 - 05:40 AM

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NONE, just RUN and never look back.
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View PostFlavortown, on 25 February 2020 - 12:08 PM, said:

I mean atleast 121 is playable, so that i guess?

the definition of playable then, pls :D i played very few battles in it and i had enough, even though i did alright in those battles, its really a relic from a past.

I have rhm pzw, that i actually play, sometimes, so i guess that one is playable as well :D



The_Naa #13 Posted 26 February 2020 - 07:45 AM

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121 because China.

If you can take a Chinese Tank always Take the Chinese Tank. :)



Cobra6 #14 Posted 26 February 2020 - 08:20 AM

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The 121 is a fairly mobile medium with a big POOOOOOT gun, while the IS-4 is a heavy that has it's armor negated almost completely by premium ammo and has terrible gun handling.

 

So yeah, given the choice go for the 121 even though both are far from competitive.

 

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trispect #15 Posted 26 February 2020 - 08:45 AM

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That's basically like choosing between the plague and cholera. ...you can't go wrong either way

splash_time #16 Posted 26 February 2020 - 10:31 AM

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Honestly? None. 

Only if you're having good amount of free xp to research the modules before playing the first battle for WZ-120. I saw it stock once for a player and I felt sorry for him lol! :D

The guy was taking shoots without even hitting the target he was aiming at! 

IS-4? Almost everywhere in penetrate-able on this tank. Turret roof, hull, lower plate, below the gun manlet and so on. 

I would say, spend time something that actually worth. 

 

Gl in choosing. :)



trispect #17 Posted 26 February 2020 - 02:24 PM

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121: No armor, bad standard penetration, bad mobility, mediocre DPM, bad gun handling, no gun depression --> What's there not to like? 

 

IS-4: Slow as snail, no frontal armor (good side armor LOL), bad DPM, bad gun handling, bad gun depression --> What's there not to like? 


Edited by trispect, 26 February 2020 - 02:26 PM.


Nikka_Katajainen #18 Posted 26 February 2020 - 05:42 PM

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View Posttrispect, on 26 February 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

121: No armor, bad standard penetration, bad mobility, mediocre DPM, bad gun handling, no gun depression --> What's there not to like?


258 base pen is bad :trollface: I suppose you use a lot of gold ammo in your tanks? :)

 

Also, 3258 DPM with rammer and BiA alone seems pretty nice to me, especially for what's essentially a heavy tank gun. If this is bad for you, what qualifies as good?


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Thanks everyone for your comments, I expected some low quality ones given the tanks involved in the poll but still, better than nothing. :great:

 

121 seems to be leading the poll so I'll most likely choose that, also because some of you did raise a valid point - IS-4 armor might as well be butter against full gold ammo spam (unless sidescraping, even when poorly angled the cheeks are 320+ effective), whereas 121 doesn't care as most Tier 10 standard ammo goes through the hull easily, so joke on the gold firing bobs in this case.

I'll take think about it a bit more, but will keep this thread in mind. :)



trispect #19 Posted 27 February 2020 - 10:41 AM

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View Postpihip, on 26 February 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:


258 base pen is bad :trollface: I suppose you use a lot of gold ammo in your tanks? :)

 

Also, 3258 DPM with rammer and BiA alone seems pretty nice to me, especially for what's essentially a heavy tank gun. If this is bad for you, what qualifies as good?


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Thanks everyone for your comments, I expected some low quality ones given the tanks involved in the poll but still, better than nothing. :great:

 

121 seems to be leading the poll so I'll most likely choose that, also because some of you did raise a valid point - IS-4 armor might as well be butter against full gold ammo spam (unless sidescraping, even when poorly angled the cheeks are 320+ effective), whereas 121 doesn't care as most Tier 10 standard ammo goes through the hull easily, so joke on the gold firing bobs in this case.

I'll take think about it a bit more, but will keep this thread in mind. :)

- 258 is bad in current meta and it's worse than most of the other mediums

- I didn't say that DPM is bad, I say it was mediocre. Again comparing it to other medium counterparts. Basically only autoloaders have worse DPM than 121. 

 

So point I was trying to make is, what is the reason to choose tank? Does it have some decisive qualities? Only thing 121 has, is a bit bigger alpha. DPM isn't much to be happy for when you have bad gun handling and can't brawl because you don't have armor and the platform is indescribably frustrating to play because of lack of gun depression and you don't have anything to compensate that with (like super good mobility and/or speed). If playing Chinese you are better off playing with 113 and taking a slight hit on mobility and tiny bit worse DPM but gaining ability to brawl and having -7 gun depression over sides of your tank. 

 

And then there's the 430U...

 



Johny404 #20 Posted 27 February 2020 - 01:55 PM

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View Posttrispect, on 27 February 2020 - 10:41 AM, said:

- 258 is bad in current meta and it's worse than most of the other mediums

- I didn't say that DPM is bad, I say it was mediocre. Again comparing it to other medium counterparts. Basically only autoloaders have worse DPM than 121. 

 

258 base pen for AP shells is good as AP has better normalization than APCR which is standard ammo on most of the mediums and they have only few mm more pen. Not to mention 122mm is much better for overmatch mechanic than 105mm guns and it also offers 340 mm of HEAT pen while most of other mediums has 330 mm max. And there are plenty of singe shot tanks with lower DPM(Centurion, Leopard 1, E-50M, 430U, 121B, M60, T-22).


Edited by LordSkyFury, 27 February 2020 - 01:56 PM.





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