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Prezak1as #1 Posted 26 February 2020 - 03:13 PM

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First of all sorry for my english it is not very good , lets start with some EASY ideas

 

BALANCE IDEAS

 

1) Wargaming must change the ammo but need to change and the ammo limit on special ammo in every tank 50% - 50% , for exaple IF the object 140 has 60 rounds give it a limit to 30 special ammo and 30 on normal ammo or HE shells

 

2) No need to change the damage , you can change only the Maximum damage in shells , for example the average damage on 100 mm cannon (tier 10) is 320 damage the apcr does 280-360 dam , the heat must do Maximum damage 320 (250-320) and the HE 0-320 Maximum damage again

 

3) Change the balance by 2 tiers in every battle , for example tier 7 can play only with tier 8 or tier 6 , two tiers in every battle and not three (tier 7-8-9 in the same battle)

 

4) Change the matchmaking with the arty and the lights , we have the arty for support and not for one shot and garage and the lights for scouting , so the battle need 2 artys maxinum and 3 lights maximum

 

5) Change the arty ammo , 2 types on shells one HE with low penetration and stun , and one HE special ammo with more penetration but with out the stun 50% - 50% the shell capacity too ( 10 normal ammo and 10 special Maximum)....Do the damage in arty smaller for example if the arty has 20 sec reload (3 shots per min ) it need's 1000 damage Maximum (the big guns tier 10s) in HE special shell

 

6) Make new categories in premium tanks for exaple , is6 normal premium , kv-5 rare premium , defender super rare premium , is-3A and object 703 mythical premium

 

7) Make the same for tier 10 tanks but only super rare and mythical for exaple, super rare the object 907 and mythical the t-22 medium 

 

8) Make event for the players to take this tanks for example GLOBAL clan wars all the servers in one map , 6 months every season like the old clan wars 2011-2015... Two differend GLOBAL maps  with tier 8 and tier 10 and if the clan and the players have the points and the token (victories by battles exept the entry area) they will take a mythical tank BUT the clans who playing in tier 10 global clan war can not playing in tier 8 global clan war too ( they must choose between tier 8 global clan wars or tier 10 )

 

9) BAN , all the premium categories tanks for the events (normal , rare , super rare , mythical) .....it is not right for people who do not have special tanks because they are new players to playing with normal tanks against premium tanks , its to much p®ay to win
for example all the players in frondline playing only with tier 8 premiums tanks (progetto , defender , ebr , 703 and all the others ) so for the start all the special tanks must be ban for every event and they can participate only in random battles

 

10 ) GENERAL , Clan wars - mythical tanks , Frondline - super rare tier 8 tanks + rare camo , Grand battles - tier 10 super rare tank + special 3d or 2d skin , Ranked battles - Bonds farming for improve Equipments

 

RUSSIAN TECH TREE

 

1) Change the tech trees BUT change them smart ,  you dont need to do collectible the t62a , you can make a new tech tree and new roles in russian mediums for example 

 

100mm cannon 320 damage , 105mm cannon 360 damage , 115mm cannon 390 damage , 120mm cannon 420 damage , 122mm cannon 440 damage

 

T8 t-44       /  T9 t-54                                 /    T10 object 140 with 100mm cannon

T8 t-44      /    T9 t55D 115 mm cannon   /   T10 t62a with the normal 115 mm cannon (390 average damage)

 

 

T8 object 430 first edition 100 mm cannon    /   T9 object 430M second edition 115mm cannon    /   T10 object 430U 122mm cannon

T8 object 430 first edition 100 mm cannon   /    T9 object 432 115 mm cannon (t64 prototype )    /   T10 t64 first edition with 115mm cannon

 

 

k-91 deleted all the line because is a bad line with many fake tanks , keep the object 416 as rare tank tier 8 and the k-91 V2 as tier 8 mythical tank (t-44-100 super rare , t-54 mod 1 normal premium )

 

IN HEAVYS TREE

 

T8 is3      /   T9 object 257 (is7 model 1)   /   T10 is7 130mm cannon

T8 is3     /   T9 object 278                          /   T10 object 279 140mm cannon

 

 

T8 is5      /   T9 is8                                                            /   T10 T10M 122mm cannon

T8 is5     /    T9 object 270 (is8 torret 122mm cannon)    /   T10 object 277 130mm

 

 

T8 kv4       /    T9  is4 122 mm cannon      /    T10 IS4M 125mm cannon

T8 kv4      /    T9   ST-I                              /     T10 ST-II double cannon , delete the fake is3-ii is2ii

 

And of course delete all the object 705 line , because the object 705a is THE IS4 WITH BL10 CANNON  (mythical premium tank easy )

All the tanks have differend play style and cannons

 

 


Edited by Prezak1as, 26 February 2020 - 03:55 PM.


1LH4N #2 Posted 26 February 2020 - 03:26 PM

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WG should hire this guy as new balance dev 

Edited by 1LH4N, 26 February 2020 - 03:26 PM.


chainreact0r #3 Posted 26 February 2020 - 03:31 PM

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View PostPrezak1as, on 26 February 2020 - 03:13 PM, said:

 

 IF the object 140 has 50 rounds give it a limit to 30 special ammo and 30 on normal ammo or HE shells

 

 

Only in Soviet Russia comrade!

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Prezak1as #4 Posted 26 February 2020 - 03:37 PM

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i have many ideas for all the tech trees , special for the american tech tree but i start with the russian (hardcore type)

Balc0ra #5 Posted 26 February 2020 - 03:46 PM

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1: 50%? That's still enough for a platoon of 140's to rape your Type 5 platoon. And besides the Matilda IV that is the only one I have 50/50 on due to the low pen. I doubt many do run 50/50 on high tiers for that to make any impact besides the 183. Type 5 maybe... but I doubt many use the 15cm on that anymore vs before.

 

4: As long as they sell the LeFH on tier 5. Mid-tier needs a 1 arty cap tbh. I just had a 2 man LeFH platoon rain on me and an M44. Not fun.

 

5: Based on the recent arty tests. I'm gonna say no.

 

6/7: And this will help the game how? Tbh I see zero point with it. Some premiums like the T-103 are super rare because no-one bought it. So you don't see them often for a reason.

 

9: Considering most of those tanks have been free via events too, inc the T-44-100. And there are FL rentals. There will be more of them. And if they removed those. Then it would be more on who has more flexibility in their tier 8's vs those that only have 1 tech tree line past tier 7. As in who has grinded the broken tech tree tanks or not. You have the Defender, but the VK 100.01 is not much better tbh. Even more so if the only tier 8 you have is a T32 that can't reliably pen his lower plate even. So either way, there will be a barrier others can't get over. As they lack the tanks regardless.

 

 


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Prezak1as #6 Posted 26 February 2020 - 04:20 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 26 February 2020 - 02:46 PM, said:

1: 50%? That's still enough for a platoon of 140's to rape your Type 5 platoon. And besides the Matilda IV that is the only one I have 50/50 on due to the low pen. I doubt many do run 50/50 on high tiers for that to make any impact besides the 183. Type 5 maybe... but I doubt many use the 15cm on that anymore vs before.

 

4: As long as they sell the LeFH on tier 5. Mid-tier needs a 1 arty cap tbh. I just had a 2 man LeFH platoon rain on me and an M44. Not fun.

 

5: Based on the recent arty tests. I'm gonna say no.

 

6/7: And this will help the game how? Tbh I see zero point with it. Some premiums like the T-103 are super rare because no-one bought it. So you don't see them often for a reason.

 

9: Considering most of those tanks have been free via events too, inc the T-44-100. And there are FL rentals. There will be more of them. And if they removed those. Then it would be more on who has more flexibility in their tier 8's vs those that only have 1 tech tree line past tier 7. As in who has grinded the broken tech tree tanks or not. You have the Defender, but the VK 100.01 is not much better tbh. Even more so if the only tier 8 you have is a T32 that can't reliably pen his lower plate even. So either way, there will be a barrier others can't get over. As they lack the tanks regardless.

 

 


1) 50%-50% is just an idea to how you can change the game easy , the object 140 platoon they will have the heat ammo to rape the type 5 platoon but they will not have ammo to rape all the enemy team

 

4) The arty and the arty players is the key same times to win the game , in a random game you need 2 artys , the real problem is not the 2 artys in a the random game is the to many open maps , i playing the game for 2010 close beta tester but i have sell my old account (economic reasson) and i have play back then , random battles with 7 artys (foul rush in the arty's and you hide behind the dead tank and you spot all the others ) you always can found the solution , is not about your fun or the every player fun

 

4) Is a good reason that to nerf the reload in LeFH

 

5) its your opinion and it is acceptable

 
6/7) That will help the game because players like me , will playing the events and they can get tanks like t-44-100 ( super rare tank - frondline ) with out to send money because now the game is to much pay to win ( about the premium tanks )....In addition they will create a new category the mythical tanks and you can get mythical tanks only for the clan war and not with money ( again) .....something like american tier 9 tank phase 1 , this american tank can be a bond normal tank
 
9) I have write the reasons in main article
 
 
 
 

 


Edited by Prezak1as, 26 February 2020 - 04:31 PM.


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View Postchainreact0r, on 26 February 2020 - 02:31 PM, said:

Only in Soviet Russia comrade!

WG should be proud.

I change it



rush0620 #9 Posted 26 February 2020 - 05:34 PM

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TD line rework?

 

Object 268V5

<a href='https://i1.wp.com/ritastatusreport.live/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/jtfbqpkqx5g.jpg?fit=910%2C449&ssl=1' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://i1.wp.com/ri...t=910,449&ssl=1</a>

 

And missing Su 152 Taran like German Grille 15

<a href='https://i.redd.it/uwn05rrcrc531.jpg' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://i.redd.it/uwn05rrcrc531.jpg</a>

 

203 mm gun line

<a href='https://img.ifunny.co/images/fd4eaa7b988c58a70055453b797f92fe813e348b0d1fdaa2bcb1387e7ace4397_1.jpg' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://img.ifunny.c...e7ace4397_1.jpg</a>

Another 203 mm

<a href='https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/russianarmor/images/b/bd/ZIK-20.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160111003759' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://vignette.wik...=20160111003759</a>



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Regarding point 1: 50% won’t change anything, as most tankers don’t fire 50% of their ammunition in a single battle, so could still fire off only premium. A smaller percentage may work though.

Point 4: limiting to 2 SPG and 3 LT would be good. I’d also include TDs as well - It’s no fun being in a battle with 7 TDs per side!

Interesting tech tree ideas!

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View Postfacmanpob, on 26 February 2020 - 05:01 PM, said:

Regarding point 1: 50% won’t change anything, as most tankers don’t fire 50% of their ammunition in a single battle, so could still fire off only premium. A smaller percentage may work though.

Point 4: limiting to 2 SPG and 3 LT would be good. I’d also include TDs as well - It’s no fun being in a battle with 7 TDs per side!

Interesting tech tree ideas!

1) Dont forget the special ammo is 50% -50 % with the normal ammo but my idea has the MAXIMUM shell damage so an object 140  has 320 Top damage , so many special shells will do only 250 damage dont forget that

 

4)This is true my friend , for me the normal balance in random battles and clan wars ( if we want to make more difficult) is 5 heavys maximum , 5 tds maximum , 5 mediums maxinum , 3 lights maxinum , 2 artys , one more good idea


Edited by Prezak1as, 26 February 2020 - 06:58 PM.


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View Postrush0620, on 26 February 2020 - 04:34 PM, said:

TD line rework?

 

Object 268V5

<a href='https://i1.wp.com/ritastatusreport.live/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/jtfbqpkqx5g.jpg?fit=910%2C449&ssl=1' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://i1.wp.com/ri...t=910,449&ssl=1</a>

 

And missing Su 152 Taran like German Grille 15

<a href='https://i.redd.it/uwn05rrcrc531.jpg' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://i.redd.it/uwn05rrcrc531.jpg</a>

 

203 mm gun line

<a href='https://img.ifunny.co/images/fd4eaa7b988c58a70055453b797f92fe813e348b0d1fdaa2bcb1387e7ace4397_1.jpg' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://img.ifunny.c...e7ace4397_1.jpg</a>

Another 203 mm

<a href='https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/russianarmor/images/b/bd/ZIK-20.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160111003759' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://vignette.wik...=20160111003759</a>

Destroyer Tanks

T7 isu-122   /  T8 isu-152  / T9  object 704  / T10 object 268 

 

T7  su-101 100mm cannon / T8 su-102 100mm cannon / T9 su-102m 122mm cannon  / T10  object 268v4 or object 263 ....But the object 268v4 is a super fake tank never existed as project and general the variants of object 268 

 

T8 su-122-54  / T9 IT-122  /  T10 IT-130

 

T8 su -122pm   / T9 su-130pm / T10 taran 152 ( the real su-152)

 

Super rare tier 10 destroyer object 261-2 

Mythical tier 10 destroyer object 261-3 or object 268v5 

 


Edited by Prezak1as, 26 February 2020 - 06:33 PM.


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View PostPrezak1as, on 26 February 2020 - 02:13 PM, said:

6) Make new categories in premium tanks for exaple , is6 normal premium , kv-5 rare premium , defender super rare premium , is-3A and object 703 mythical premium

 

...for what purpose?



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View PostPrezak1as, on 26 February 2020 - 03:13 PM, said:

9) BAN , all the premium categories tanks for the events (normal , rare , super rare , mythical) .....it is not right for people who do not have special tanks because they are new players to playing with normal tanks against premium tanks , its to much p®ay to win

for example all the players in frondline playing only with tier 8 premiums tanks (progetto , defender , ebr , 703 and all the others ) so for the start all the special tanks must be ban for every event and they can participate only in random battles

 

That does exactly nothing for new players. I played FL in 2018 mainly with HWK 12, WZ-132 and BC 12t. Got about the same scores as last year, when I went full credit grind mode with mainly EBR/LT-432, Skorpion and Progetto/Lorraine. Veterans will have an edge over newbies in any kind of event, regardless of what tanks are and aren't allowed to participate.



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View PostPrezak1as, on 26 February 2020 - 03:13 PM, said:

1) Wargaming must change the ammo but need to change and the ammo limit on special ammo in every tank 50% - 50% , for exaple IF the object 140 has 60 rounds give it a limit to 30 special ammo and 30 on normal ammo or HE shells

 

30 rounds are still more than anyone ever fires in an average game. This changes nothing.

 

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 2) No need to change the damage , you can change only the Maximum damage in shells , for example the average damage on 100 mm cannon (tier 10) is 320 damage the apcr does 280-360 dam , the heat must do Maximum damage 320 (250-320) and the HE 0-320 Maximum damage again

 

Way too confusing, could be considered a nerf to premiums (hint: refunds) and makes HE completely useless. Next.

 

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 3) Change the balance by 2 tiers in every battle , for example tier 7 can play only with tier 8 or tier 6 , two tiers in every battle and not three (tier 7-8-9 in the same battle)

 

About the only actual good idea here. Considering WG once said the biggest reason for NB is the difference in power between tier 5 and 7, +/-1 MM alone would probably be enough to make NB obsolete. Only problem here are probably pref MM tanks.

 

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 4) Change the matchmaking with the arty and the lights , we have the arty for support and not for one shot and garage and the lights for scouting , so the battle need 2 artys maxinum and 3 lights maximum

 

TDs are support too, why is nobody ever talking about limiting those?

 

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 5) Change the arty ammo , 2 types on shells one HE with low penetration and stun , and one HE special ammo with more penetration but with out the stun 50% - 50% the shell capacity too ( 10 normal ammo and 10 special Maximum)....Do the damage in arty smaller for example if the arty has 20 sec reload (3 shots per min ) it need's 1000 damage Maximum (the big guns tier 10s) in HE special shell

 

If those are the numbers you honestly believe to make the most sense, I suspect you should learn how to be a less appealing target for enemy SPGs. Also: HE with more pen = best idea ever, I see absolutely zero whine-threads in the future because of this.

 

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 6) Make new categories in premium tanks for exaple , is6 normal premium , kv-5 rare premium , defender super rare premium , is-3A and object 703 mythical premium

 

And this does what exactly? This is World of Tanks, not Magic the Gathering.

 

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 7) Make the same for tier 10 tanks but only super rare and mythical for exaple, super rare the object 907 and mythical the t-22 medium

 

Still not MtG.

 

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 8) Make event for the players to take this tanks for example GLOBAL clan wars all the servers in one map , 6 months every season like the old clan wars 2011-2015... Two differend GLOBAL maps  with tier 8 and tier 10 and if the clan and the players have the points and the token (victories by battles exept the entry area) they will take a mythical tank BUT the clans who playing in tier 10 global clan war can not playing in tier 8 global clan war too ( they must choose between tier 8 global clan wars or tier 10 )

 

Good idea, make half the players play a competetive gamemode with 200 ping while the other half gets 20 ping. Brilliant, not unfair at all. Since the servers for an event like this would probably be somewhere in russia NA/SEA players could probably say goodbye to CW reward tanks. 10/10 idea, absolutely no russian bias to be found.

 

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 10 ) GENERAL , Clan wars - mythical tanks , Frondline - super rare tier 8 tanks + rare camo , Grand battles - tier 10 super rare tank + special 3d or 2d skin , Ranked battles - Bonds farming for improve Equipments

 

Still.

Not.

MtG.

 

I do like the idea of rewards for GBs though. No idea how that would be implemented or how much stress it would put on MM, but the basic concept is nice.

 

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 1) Change the tech trees BUT change them smart ,  you dont need to do collectible the t62a , you can make a new tech tree and new roles in russian mediums for example

 

And what would those new roles be? All I see is a list of tank/gun combinations, most of wich I dislike. Also, if we downtier the 430 often enough we'll someday have a counter to all those seal-clubbers in their Pz 2Js...

 

 

General opinion on the suggested changes:

:facepalm:

 


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View PostPrezak1as, on 26 February 2020 - 05:27 PM, said:

Destroyer Tanks

T7 isu-122   /  T8 isu-152  / T9  object 704  / T10 object 268 

 

T7  su-101 100mm cannon / T8 su-102 100mm cannon / T9 su-102m 122mm cannon  / T10  object 268v4 or object 263 ....But the object 268v4 is a super fake tank never existed as project and general the variants of object 268 

 

T8 su-122-54  / T9 IT-122  /  T10 IT-130

 

T8 su -122pm   / T9 su-130pm / T10 taran 152 ( the real su-152)

 

Super rare tier 10 destroyer object 261-2 

Mythical tier 10 destroyer object 261-3 or object 268v5 

 

 

T8 ZIK-20 152 mm BR-2

<a href='http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/41/1476455750-zik-20-2.jpg' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>http://image.noelsha...50-zik-20-2.jpg</a>

T9 SU SMK 180 mm gun like Object 261 180 mm naval gun

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T 10 SU 203 - 203 mm M4 gun

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View Postrush0620, on 26 February 2020 - 05:34 PM, said:

<a href='https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/russianarmor/images/b/bd/ZIK-20.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160111003759' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://vignette.wik...=20160111003759</a>

 

I like the look of the last one.

Could maybe be like the SU-100Y but with a rotatable turret and slighty less alpha?

Could see it as a t6 premium.

 

With further inspection i see that it doesn't seem to have an actually rotatable turret but with a bit of russian engineering im sure that can be fixed.


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