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ZaZen #1 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:03 PM

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 so i assume the campain is over ? ive been seeing more cheftans but what is baffleing there are mostly49- 52 % players mostly 50% ish or so runing them and they dont do that welll( well no big news rly) but how hard is it to get one? since ya know 50% is bad but not necesarely what i imagined  u need for them 

GodTank2 #2 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:07 PM

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Its not hard at all if you are in a clan that can get one and you can dedicate 11 nights to play.

ZaZen #3 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:10 PM

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View PostGodTank2, on 28 February 2020 - 01:07 PM, said:

Its not hard at all if you are in a clan that can get one and you can dedicate 11 nights to play.

how much of a time investment / day?



splash_time #4 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:17 PM

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View PostZaZen, on 28 February 2020 - 03:10 PM, said:

how much of a time investment / day?

 

Almost 5-6 hours of constant playing (AFAIK) for 11 days, for some countries it might go after midnight (in my time zone 10 pm till 2-3 am).



gitgud_cannot #5 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:18 PM

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around 6 hours.

speaking about not so good players getting rekt in their chiefs, there is not a single tank in this game, thats 100% idiot proof.


Edited by gitgud_cannot, 28 February 2020 - 01:19 PM.


ZaZen #6 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:20 PM

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ok thx . minor thing i tought was funny most of them are clanless now 

gitgud_cannot #7 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:30 PM

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View PostZaZen, on 28 February 2020 - 02:20 PM, said:

ok thx . minor thing i tought was funny most of them are clanless now 

not that uncommon for people to play in clans only when campaign is on.



Long_Range_Sniper #8 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:32 PM

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View PostGodTank2, on 28 February 2020 - 12:07 PM, said:

Its not hard at all if you are in a clan that can get one and you can dedicate 11 nights to play.

 

That's not strictly true. I could show you clans of 50-52% players who have played over 130 games in those 11 days where nobody got a tank.

 

The decisions that clans make in terms of battles and investing fame points, combined with player understanding of how they invest for bonuses is also key.



ExclamationMark #9 Posted 28 February 2020 - 01:32 PM

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From my experience in campaigns (only two so far, the past two specifically) you get more points by playing more games, simply. I don't know if this is the case with other clans. 

tajj7 #10 Posted 28 February 2020 - 02:51 PM

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View Postgitgud_cannot, on 28 February 2020 - 12:18 PM, said:

around 6 hours.

speaking about not so good players getting rekt in their chiefs, there is not a single tank in this game, thats 100% idiot proof.

 

There are some that are more forgiving than others but the Chieftain probably isn't one despite it being an amazing tank and far too good, if you drive it around in the open most people will pen you.

 

You used to see a Chieftain on your team and you'd think strong player + strong tank, but more recently it's a strong tank with not so strong a player, who makes a weak contribution. 



CmdRatScabies #11 Posted 28 February 2020 - 02:59 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 28 February 2020 - 02:51 PM, said:

You used to see a Chieftain on your team and you'd think strong player + strong tank, but more recently it's a strong tank with not so strong a player, who makes a weak contribution. 

On the up side, Skill4Ltu might actually be able to 3 mark it now.  :hiding:



LethalWalou #12 Posted 28 February 2020 - 03:06 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 28 February 2020 - 12:32 PM, said:

From my experience in campaigns (only two so far, the past two specifically) you get more points by playing more games, simply. I don't know if this is the case with other clans. 

 

There is a huge difference in what battles you play, and with what end result. You can pump out 100 battles on basic front or win 10 battles on advanced front. In the former you struggle to get the prize tank and in the latter you already have the tank guaranteed.



Geno1isme #13 Posted 28 February 2020 - 03:08 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 28 February 2020 - 02:32 PM, said:

From my experience in campaigns (only two so far, the past two specifically) you get more points by playing more games, simply. I don't know if this is the case with other clans. 


Well, that's partially true. But it also massively depends what type of battles you play. If you can't get into x5 matches it's pretty hard to get enough points, on the other hand if your clan can actually land on advanced/elite you can skip quite a few battles.

View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 28 February 2020 - 02:32 PM, said:

That's not strictly true. I could show you clans of 50-52% players who have played over 130 games in those 11 days where nobody got a tank.

 

The decisions that clans make in terms of battles and investing fame points, combined with player understanding of how they invest for bonuses is also key.

It's not so much about decisions than success: If you don't win your x5 battles it's hard to earn enough points, no matter how much you invest. The whole personal bonus stuff is a retarded gamble with no real impact.



Aggeee #14 Posted 28 February 2020 - 03:44 PM

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Its been said from most of the better players that have the Chief that its a good tank, but a mediocre player cant and wont perform miracles in it. Its a hard tank to play but if you are good in it its magnificant. Skill4ltu is on of them among many that say just this, just look at his youtube. I cant wait for all the "WTF IS THIS crap? WHY IS MY CHIEF SO MUCH WORST THEN ALL OTHER CHIEFS?!?!?!!!111!" topics that will come from crybabies that have been complaining about not having this OP tank and now managed to get one and cant play it.

Long_Range_Sniper #15 Posted 28 February 2020 - 04:00 PM

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View PostGeno1isme, on 28 February 2020 - 02:08 PM, said:

It's not so much about decisions than success: If you don't win your x5 battles it's hard to earn enough points, no matter how much you invest. The whole personal bonus stuff is a retarded gamble with no real impact.

 

You might think that, but myself and a friend in our clan were able to accurately predict within 2% the fame point requirements to be achieved by the end of each day to get a tank.

 

If you then overlay your own clan performance, personal performance and understanding of bonus benefits you can work out if it's worth investing to 1000 or 2500 rtc etc.

 

I know players who invested 2500 and never got near a tank. 



Geno1isme #16 Posted 28 February 2020 - 04:41 PM

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 28 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

You might think that, but myself and a friend in our clan were able to accurately predict within 2% the fame point requirements to be achieved by the end of each day to get a tank.

 

If you then overlay your own clan performance, personal performance and understanding of bonus benefits you can work out if it's worth investing to 1000 or 2500 rtc etc.

 

I know players who invested 2500 and never got near a tank. 

The only thing you need to predict is how many points you're going to make in the end (which is a gamble), everything else is just math. Buying the 2500 FP boost is only worth it if you expect to earn at least 12500 FP (before bonuses) / 16200 FP (total), no matter if you need 500 or 50000 FP to get the tank. Of course that only applies if you buy the boosts ASAP, which means in the first couple days. It's basically never worth to buy boosts in the second half of the campaign.

 

And to get to those numbers you pretty much have to win a couple x5 matches (which in turn requires winning quite a few x1 matches before). But as you can't be certain of that at the beginning it's another gamble you have to make.



fwhaatpiraat #17 Posted 28 February 2020 - 05:18 PM

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View PostGeno1isme, on 28 February 2020 - 04:41 PM, said:

The only thing you need to predict is how many points you're going to make in the end (which is a gamble), everything else is just math. Buying the 2500 FP boost is only worth it if you expect to earn at least 12500 FP (before bonuses) / 16200 FP (total), no matter if you need 500 or 50000 FP to get the tank. Of course that only applies if you buy the boosts ASAP, which means in the first couple days. It's basically never worth to buy boosts in the second half of the campaign.

 

And to get to those numbers you pretty much have to win a couple x5 matches (which in turn requires winning quite a few x1 matches before). But as you can't be certain of that at the beginning it's another gamble you have to make.


Getting your clan's intel on par is also part of the campaign...

 

To answer OP's question: I have seen plenty of clans that you would call mediocre, but they played very well because they practised a lot and played like a teamj. Also have seen plenty of 'better' players farming WN8 in clan wars, having no clue whatsoever of teamplay. And ofcourse people could have gotten their Chieftain from the auction, that doesn't take any skill.


Edited by fwhaatpiraat, 28 February 2020 - 05:21 PM.


GodTank2 #18 Posted 28 February 2020 - 05:52 PM

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View PostZaZen, on 28 February 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

how much of a time investment / day?

 

In a normal clan you need to play pretty much all night for 11 days , if you are in the top 20 clans though you can play 3-4 days and still be able to secure a tank.



Long_Range_Sniper #19 Posted 28 February 2020 - 05:55 PM

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View PostGeno1isme, on 28 February 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

The only thing you need to predict is how many points you're going to make in the end (which is a gamble), everything else is just math. Buying the 2500 FP boost is only worth it if you expect to earn at least 12500 FP (before bonuses) / 16200 FP (total), no matter if you need 500 or 50000 FP to get the tank. Of course that only applies if you buy the boosts ASAP, which means in the first couple days. It's basically never worth to buy boosts in the second half of the campaign.

 

I see what you're saying, but I still think you're making it too simplistic and almost like a lottery. It's a personal calculation based on your performance, your clan performance, and your likely number of games. So it's not a risky gamble at all. You can make it much less of a gamble. In fact you can make it almost certain

 

If you know you average 2000 points per day with a 1000 booster, and you know you can play every day of an 11 day campaign where the cut off is going to be 16500 points then you can work out the point during the campaign where it is worth investing to 2500, or just play it safer.

 

I see your clan was one of the clans where people played 130+ games and nobody got a tank. Having looked at some of your players they clearly didn't work out their investment strategy. My clan as the same, we had one player who was barely going to play who invested to 2500 quite late on in the campaign. But that was one player.

 

It's also tough decisions that the FC's have to make. Do you spread the games around people, focus on players with the right tanks for the right maps, focus on a core team with minor changes to drag players up etc etc.

 

By day two of the campaign I was predicting it was going to come in at around 18k, which was revised down to 17k within a few days of the end. We also worked on predictions for the Fire Trail campaign.

 

This means that the Clan FC's can make informed judgements as to who is safe, and who needs pushing. I watched other clans where it was clear that 15 players or more could have achieved a tank, but the butter was spread too thin and in the end nobody got one.



ZaZen #20 Posted 28 February 2020 - 07:30 PM

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Intresting so then its better to join a clan with a slmaller core te-am to secure a tank If u are going to comit?




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