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pihip #1 Posted 28 February 2020 - 09:47 PM

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Are these tanks still competitive in the current meta? Especially T-54, given that it is quite old so it might've suffered powercreep.

Also, about the T-54 gun choice.

 

Is the DPM gun good only with full HEAT? The high DPM and extra degree of gun depression are nice, but this gun has bad aimtime and shell velocity, making it more of a brawling gun, but with 201 base penetration that's asking a bit much (not impossible, but it's the absolute lowest as far as Tier 9 medium guns go in terms of penetration, I imagine it would be quite the challenge to do well with it without abusing the 2-key like so many T-54 drivers do).



24doom24 #2 Posted 28 February 2020 - 09:49 PM

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It's a russian hover medium. 

Strappster #3 Posted 28 February 2020 - 10:07 PM

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View Postpihip, on 28 February 2020 - 08:47 PM, said:

Also, about the T-54 gun choice ... </snip>

 

I recently finished the grind through the T-54 and opted for the accurate gun. The DPM gun works fine up close and personal but I tend to play more of a support role in my mediums (probably because I suck at brawling) and the DPM gun was a bit too derpy for me. I carried plenty of HEAT with both guns and while I didn't use as much of it as I thought I would, I still stopped playing the tank whenever I was low on credits because it's an expensive habit.



pihip #4 Posted 28 February 2020 - 10:18 PM

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View Post24doom24, on 28 February 2020 - 09:49 PM, said:

It's a russian hover medium. 

 

No way, really?

 

View PostStrappster, on 28 February 2020 - 10:07 PM, said:

I recently finished the grind through the T-54 and opted for the accurate gun. The DPM gun works fine up close and personal but I tend to play more of a support role in my mediums (probably because I suck at brawling) and the DPM gun was a bit too derpy for me. I carried plenty of HEAT with both guns and while I didn't use as much of it as I thought I would, I still stopped playing the tank whenever I was low on credits because it's an expensive habit.

 

I tend to be aggressive which often gets me killed, but as long as I manage to do my part I think it's fine, so I guess the DPM gun would be the better choice for me (it also helps that the T-54 has good armor for a medium, so it can tank some shots).

 

That being said, as mentioned in the OP the low AP pen worries me, because I refuse to spam gold both for economic reasons (too expensive to sustain) and on principle (call me dumb or naive but I see gold ammo as a legal cheat). A tank balanced around gold ammo will always be a bad tank in my opinion, no matter the average winrate.

Of course, even I load gold from time to time, but it's quite uncommon and definitely rare compared to today's standards.


Edited by pihip, 28 February 2020 - 10:20 PM.


TungstenHitman #5 Posted 28 February 2020 - 11:31 PM

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T-54 is the only one of those tanks I have. It's a strong tank, lovely blend of mobility and armor. I tried both gun options and concluded that for me it's the DPM gun all the way or else this tank is wasting it brawling potential. The "sniper" gun is actually trash and you take a hit to reload and gun depression for a tank that's just massively inferior to sniping when compared to it's T9 piers that lean on that sniper play style such as the Leo PTA and to a lessor extent the Standard B so just if you want to snipe play one of those two instead and then you will understand what I mean. 

 

With a tank like this you play a mixture of conservative play and aggressive play when bottom tier(pffff, just 1 tier down) and when top tier you just drive towards your lower tier enemies slightly angled and face hug them and just mash them to death with DPM and armor. It's well known that standard pen is trashy and for sure its not great and so if you are not running a premium account then don't waste your time with a T-54 would be my advice. The DPM gun is not accurate but when you have the mobility, camo and armor to pounce on your targets that's not a factor from like 2 meters away and even less of a factor with 320 pen HEAT or whatever it is, you just need to shoot in the general area and that's good enough, Russia.

 

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JOSEBA_PRIME #6 Posted 29 February 2020 - 12:38 AM

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Yes, all the ruski medium tanks are fine in the current meta. 

 

When I grinded t-54 I used the dpm gun and a couple of months ago I bought the tank back and picked the "good gun handling" gun. It's up to you what gun to use, both options are fine, and you don't need to shot full heat ammo to overperform. If you fight against super heavys you should spam good ammo but fighting against majority of mediums, tds, lights... 201 mm AP pen is enough.



saurilian #7 Posted 29 February 2020 - 01:10 AM

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I like Obj 140 way more than T54. It's very nice in current meta, it just gets shitted on by clan wars tryhards and their 907's

Edited by saurilian, 29 February 2020 - 01:11 AM.


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Gun stats are misleading, T-54 is a very good tank, and no you don't need a 100% HEAT loadout with the high dpm gun.

 

Not sure about the Obj.140 though, think it's not too competitive anymore. It's been powercrept hard over the years. (Maybe you and some other people can still make it work great, but just saying in general it's glory days are long over.)

 

TL;DR

Tier for tier, T-54 is still great, Obj.140 not so much.

 



SupremeMaster #9 Posted 29 February 2020 - 02:05 AM

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20m pen difference is not that much since ur still going to shoot tracks or weakspots with ap, and i played t55a for 3 or 4 years with 200 mm pen it was no problem back in the day. That dpm is necessary for that tank. But if you are not sure you can go get that high pen gun and stay a bit distant from enemies.

Voldemars_Veiss #10 Posted 29 February 2020 - 04:34 AM

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On T54 it really doesnt matter which gun you use, you will still have to spam full HEAT all day long to be effective. supposedly more accurate gun is a pure joke, its not even that accurate and well stabilised to be worth considering of using it.

Unless you want make T54 into total crapmed with terrible rate of fire and low alpha, 218 ap pen is not good enough to justify using it over the old dpm gun.



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The high pen gun makes you wonder if the T54 still is competitive. The high dpm gun confirms it for you. No, you don't need full heat.

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I'm just, wondering, would WG remove the gun (219 base pen) gun after removing T-62A from tech tree? Because it leads to T-62A if I'm not mistaken. 

ChristOfTheAbyss #13 Posted 29 February 2020 - 08:58 AM

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I perform better with 140 than with 907 which also has all the bond equipment. Says something about how it works. If you think 907 is good, then for sure 140 is too.

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View Postgitgud_cannot, on 29 February 2020 - 04:34 AM, said:

On T54 it really doesnt matter which gun you use, you will still have to spam full HEAT all day long to be effective. supposedly more accurate gun is a pure joke, its not even that accurate and well stabilised to be worth considering of using it.

Unless you want make T54 into total crapmed with terrible rate of fire and low alpha, 218 ap pen is not good enough to justify using it over the old dpm gun.

 

+1 what this guy says. 218mm pen gun makes T-54 basically a worse T-55A. At least with the high DPM gun it also has 6 degrees of gun dep.



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CREW SKILLS FOR T54 AND EQUIPOMENT SETUP?

pihip #16 Posted 29 February 2020 - 10:57 AM

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View PostZmago5000, on 29 February 2020 - 09:37 AM, said:

CREW SKILLS FOR T54 AND EQUIPOMENT SETUP?


Commander - BiA, sixth sense, repairs, camo, etc.
Driver - BiA, smooth rider, repairs, camo, etc.
Gunner - BiA, snapshot, repairs, camo, etc.
Loader - BiA, safe stowage, situational awareness, repairs, camo, etc.

Rammer, stabilizer, optics

 

^ This would be my setup.


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Thanks everyone for your comments, I'm glad to read that at least some of you agree the T-54 does not need full HEAT loadout with the DPM gun. :)


Edited by pihip, 29 February 2020 - 11:02 AM.


ChristOfTheAbyss #17 Posted 29 February 2020 - 11:13 AM

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View Postpihip, on 29 February 2020 - 10:57 AM, said:


Commander - BiA, sixth sense, repairs, camo, etc.
Driver - BiA, smooth rider, repairs, camo, etc.
Gunner - BiA, snapshot, repairs, camo, etc.
Loader - BiA, safe stowage, situational awareness, repairs, camo, etc.

Rammer, stabilizer, optics

 

^ This would be my setup.


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Thanks everyone for your comments, I'm glad to read that at least some of you agree the T-54 does not need full HEAT loadout with the DPM gun. :)

 

Switch optics with vents if you can get 445 vr with them. Depending on your crew obviously.



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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 29 February 2020 - 11:13 AM, said:

Switch optics with vents if you can get 445 vr with them. Depending on your crew obviously.


The only way to have 445 viewrange with vents would be to have BiA and both vision perks (recon and situational awareness) maxed out, and run food. Perfectly possible, but I'd rather avoid bleeding over 50k credits per battle if I can.


Edited by pihip, 29 February 2020 - 11:52 AM.


Voldemars_Veiss #19 Posted 29 February 2020 - 12:02 PM

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best setup for T54? :D well

BIA, both vision skills, repairs, snapshot, smooth ride, firefighting

rammer, vents, vstab + food

D10T2s gun with like 10-12 AP, 2-3 HE and rest HEAT

enjoy.

i really dont see a point to shoot AP with T54 much, as AP rounds are expensive as well, so why keep bouncing shells that cost 1230 credits, when you can pen with 4,8k shell.

Either way T54 has always been one of the most expensive tanks to play in this game, be prepared to lose a lot of credits, even if you wont shoot HEAT. 

 



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I’ve played 80 battles in the T-54, about 10 with the 100mm LB-1 (so I discount these), 40 with the DPM gun and the last 30 or so with the accurate gun. Since swapping to the accurate gun my damage output has increased by about 50%. One miss or bounce with the dpm gun and you negate the additional dpm, so for me the accuracy and extra pen are way more useful and dependable.

 

Edit: Skill4ltu uses the accurate gun too if my anecdotal evidence isn’t enough! :)


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