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Kranvagen - one of the worst tier X heavies?


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Hechaton #1 Posted 02 March 2020 - 05:37 PM

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Having some matches under my belt now in this no-so-heavy tank. 

My impression so far: It has absolutely nothing.

 

All armour is in the front of the turret which can easily be negated with HE(got shot 3 times by a 705 and that was pretty much the game.).

No other parts of this tank has meaningful armour including the hull. I'd say the armour on this thing is unreliable at the best.

It doesn't have the speed, agility or gun handling to write home about either.

It does however have a 3 -shot autoloader to scare off any tier VIII, but not so much tier Xs. 

 

In my opinion this is the second worst X heavy after the E100.

This is truely one of the tanks I regret researching and buying. I won't say it's crap, but not far.

 

Does this tank (and the E100) need a little love from WG?

 

 



ValkyrionX_TV #2 Posted 02 March 2020 - 05:48 PM

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I don't want to be offensive, but constructive.
You have about 80 games on this vehicle and an average damage of just 1500 [which is not even equivalent to the first moe of many tier 8 vehicles in terms of average damage]
You are obviously not playing it properly.

 

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wsatnutter #3 Posted 02 March 2020 - 05:50 PM

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OP are there no youtube vids to give you a better insight into this tank

Hechaton #4 Posted 02 March 2020 - 05:54 PM

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View PostValkyrionX_TV, on 02 March 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

I don't want to be offensive, but constructive.
You have about 80 games on this vehicle and an average damage of just 1500 [which is not even equivalent to the first moe of many tier 8 vehicles in terms of average damage]
You are obviously not playing it properly.

 

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You're absolutely right. I probably have less damage in this thing than any tier VIII. I refuse sitting at the back of the map doing nothing, or "supporting" in WG terms. I try to play it like a heavy, and fail miserably in doing so.

 



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View PostHechaton, on 02 March 2020 - 05:54 PM, said:

 

You're absolutely right. I probably have less damage in this thing than any tier VIII. I refuse sitting at the back of the map doing nothing, or "supporting" in WG terms. I try to play it like a heavy, and fail miserably in doing so.

 

 

in hulldown positions the Kranvagn is a tank to attack and defend positions, it is not a tank to sit at the bottom of the map



gitgud_cannot #6 Posted 02 March 2020 - 06:04 PM

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Ok, Kranvagn weak confirmed, wg pls make another buff :)

BlackBloodBandit #7 Posted 02 March 2020 - 06:43 PM

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View PostHechaton, on 02 March 2020 - 05:37 PM, said:

Does this tank (and the E100) need a little love from WG?

lol... they recently buffed it. gl penning it when being hull-down. 705 doesn't have much, except for sidescraping and is one of the few tier 10 heavies with such a high caliber gun. Most heavies it faces won't do much damage with HE against the turret.


Edited by BlackBloodBandit, 02 March 2020 - 06:45 PM.


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View PostValkyrionX_TV, on 02 March 2020 - 04:54 PM, said:

 

in hulldown positions the Kranvagn is a tank to attack and defend positions, it is not a tank to sit at the bottom of the map

 

This ^^.  As a not so great player, I hate seeing one of these things in a team - especially if it turns out the driver knows what they're doing.

Not a tank to be dismissed lightly in my opinion.



JOSEBA_PRIME #9 Posted 02 March 2020 - 07:25 PM

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I also dislike the Kranvagn and it is the worst tier X heavy in my garage.

 

Now it has good dpm but it still has a disgusting gun handling, low penetration and low hp.

 

I strugle a lot to play this tank well on hull down positions, the theory is easy but when you are all the time geting rekt by artas (big artys can delete a krnvagn in 3-4 shots) , you can´t hit weakspots, you fight against meta heavys with literally everything better than you, or tds which can shiet on you wit HE, and so on...



StronkiTonki #10 Posted 02 March 2020 - 07:37 PM

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Never was a big fan of the Swedish heavies.

I can understand that other people enjoy it, but for me it's too much of a one trick pony.

 

-Sure, when you're hulldown, you're unstoppable. But many experienced players will not engage a Kranvagn when hulldown and just go away.

-Many times when hulldown, in my experience I always get in crossfires. So plenty of people will still pen me in the side of my turret when hulldown. Making the "unpennable turret" void.

-Having to rely on specific hills to hulldown behind makes you an easy arty target

-Having an autoloader means you can't push too far ahead, because you still need to be safe and not get rushed when reloading.

-Accuracy isn't too good, which forces the player to play more in front, which isn't good when you're reloading. And the accuracy is annoying to deal with on more ideal ranges for safe reloads.

 

So for me it's just too frustrating to play and of the Swedish heavies.

I enjoy consistency and always being able to do something in a battle.

Not trying to force myself to do the only thing a tank is good at. Because it's simply not possible in every situation.



Nitro_Tank #11 Posted 02 March 2020 - 07:40 PM

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Getting crepped on by artys is probably its biggest weakness. I see very bad kranvagns who end up not doing anything, then on the other hand there are some that completely destroy the entire flank. Seems to be player issue

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Hm, then why my average damage with this tank is 2.6k in my battles? plus, it's armour is frontally which means you can't fight against two tanks at the same time and survive.

second thing, it has 3k dpm, and you call that a bad tank?.... it has mediocre speed and good burst of damage (1440) in only 5.5 seconds. 

it's a good tank in the right hands mate,and not all are good in performing. :)

 



Hechaton #13 Posted 02 March 2020 - 09:17 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 02 March 2020 - 07:47 PM, said:

It's a good tank in the right hands mate,and not all are good in performing. :)

 

 

You would probably say the same if WG made a tank out of a potato with a barrel sticking out, wouldn't you?

 

 



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Kranvagn is a good tank.

Especially when i was playing team clash event

But you need a ridgeline to really let it shine.

ist not really a city brawler. or find a obstacal to hide that haul.

 

Example:

When you on Kharkov 99%of the time i will go E1 (hill) instead of the city because there is where those heavy Swe tanks shine.

And most heavy,s will avoid that spot (because of the gun depression you need.)and you will dominate the enemy meds and Lts,


Edited by Robbie_T, 03 March 2020 - 01:19 AM.


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View PostHechaton, on 02 March 2020 - 11:17 PM, said:

 

You would probably say the same if WG made a tank out of a potato with a barrel sticking out, wouldn't you?

 

 

 

I didn't mean to offense anyone. My point is, some players are good in specific classes, for me HTs and TDs are easy to play (arty too but who can't play them, right? :D), but I can't perform very well in MTs and LTs. 

 

So, if you can't make Kranv work, it means you need to learn the playstyle. 

 

PS: none of us were good with all tanks from the beginning. 

 

And about your questions, yes I would say the same. :D:hiding:



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Edited by saurilian, 03 March 2020 - 10:01 AM.


tajj7 #17 Posted 03 March 2020 - 09:54 AM

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LOL, to be honest it shows where powercreep is that the Kranvagn isn't considered OP as all hell, 3k DPM, close to invincible turret, 12 degrees of gun depression, 60 kph top speed with 18 hp/ton, 1300 burst damage in 5.5s. 

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View Posttajj7, on 03 March 2020 - 11:54 AM, said:

LOL, to be honest it shows where powercreep is that the Kranvagn isn't considered OP as all hell, 3k DPM, close to invincible turret, 12 degrees of gun depression, 60 kph top speed with 18 hp/ton, 1300 burst damage in 5.5s. 

 

The only issues it has are ground resistance and penetration, if WG buff the special ammo pen up to 310-334 mm, it'll perform better in T10 match ups.

 

I guess it'll be fair since it's really weak against artys (HE generally) and it has low HP pool, only 2k is low for a brawler HT.

It's good to play now, but any buffs are welcome. :) 



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It's a really good tank, just extremly situational.. So alot of the times it comes off as weak.

BQBD #20 Posted 03 March 2020 - 12:14 PM

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It is vulnerable to HE and Pen is quite sad....but load gold and it gets much better.

 

But calling it the worse T10 heavy after E100 is just :facepalm:






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