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LZ_Mordan #1 Posted 04 March 2020 - 10:39 PM

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I bought the Defender.

 

5 first game. Always top tier. Great games.

 

After 15 games, 60% WR.. Decent teams.

 

Now 45% WR. Litterally shitty team 70% of the time.

 

Now here what happens. And this is the reason why WG does not want balanced team. They want to manipulate the minds of their players.

 

When you buy a new tank, you will usually have top tier games and will be matched with a decent team. 

 

The goal here is to make you feel good about it. 

 

Then after awhile, they will put you in the worst teams.. So you get frustrated and you buy another premium tank.

 

I have seen many player profiles with like 2-5 great games on premiums. And that's it. Player stopped playing it.

 

Defender is my best earner by a mile!!! But my WORST performing premium BY FAR FAR FAR. Jt88 has 48% WR..  Its my best average XP tank (except TS 5 rental, another manipulative move by WG)

 

Its a great tank.. but without a team, its pure stinker. It spots nothing. A skorpion will fire and I will not see anything. And also the gun is a RNG fest..  After 190, I hate playing it most of the time. You get low tier 80% of the time. And in the current meta.. i get penned on the huge lower plate by any T8 i meet.


Edited by LZ_Mordan, 04 March 2020 - 10:41 PM.


Homer_J #2 Posted 04 March 2020 - 11:13 PM

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It's quite easy to explain.

 

The more battles you play the more your influence shows through and the less the random teams and RNG have an effect.

 

BTW it's only the 1 first battle where it tries to give you top tier.



BravelyRanAway #3 Posted 04 March 2020 - 11:51 PM

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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 04 March 2020 - 09:39 PM, said:

When you buy a new tank, you will usually have top tier games and will be matched with a decent team

No....you won't be.

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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 04 March 2020 - 09:39 PM, said:

Then after awhile, they will put you in the worst teams.. 

No....they don't.

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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 04 March 2020 - 09:39 PM, said:

So you get frustrated and you buy another premium tank.

If you actually believe this......then why would you buy another premium tank?



Isharial #4 Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:06 AM

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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 04 March 2020 - 10:39 PM, said:

 So you get frustrated and you buy another premium tank.

 

I... honestly don't get this mentality :amazed: 

Maybe im just stupid, but, surely if you are annoyed and angry about products from a company, you *don't* buy something from the game/place/manufacturer again? 

 

if im frustrated, i tend to keep my wallet in my pocket, and potentially even find something else to spend my money on...

 

 

i guess these days that mindset is dead and you just throw money at things that annoy you in the vain hope it changes... (hint: it never does)

 

 


Edited by Isharial, 05 March 2020 - 12:07 AM.


LZ_Mordan #5 Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:23 AM

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it is so

 

With this account, i just got 10 times in a row south spawn where you auto lose encouter on the stupid chineese map Empire's Border.

 

every single time i play Defender on this map. I am south spawn which is a massive loss every single time. the most imba map of the game.

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Encounter on Empire's Border South Spawn is the best map for manipulative losses. Explain to me why I ALWAYS get south spawn while encounter. I used to get North.. Its out of statistics coincidence.

Edited by LZ_Mordan, 05 March 2020 - 12:23 AM.


_zzzz_ #6 Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:30 AM

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Buy a Fort Knox pack, that way you get better RNG, MM, teammates, better spawns... :hiding:

xx984 #7 Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:31 AM

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aliens, thats always the answer

Edited by xx984, 05 March 2020 - 12:31 AM.


Private_Miros #8 Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:48 AM

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Someone save this person from the bad teams.

 

 

6283 battles, 53 battles in tier I and II. 68 premium tanks.

 

WoT is clearly pay to win.

 



Balc0ra #9 Posted 05 March 2020 - 02:43 AM

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So... Defender was not p2w?

 

View PostLZ_Mordan, on 04 March 2020 - 10:39 PM, said:

Now here what happens. And this is the reason why WG does not want balanced team. They want to manipulate the minds of their players.

 

Your team had a Defender. I thought that was enough? Or did the enemy start to get more TVP VTU's after the 15th battle?



splash_time #10 Posted 05 March 2020 - 07:36 AM

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View Postxx984, on 05 March 2020 - 02:31 AM, said:

aliens, thats always the answer

 

Yes this ↑

Looks like they loved you when you bought this spaceship, but after they got bored of you?

NEXT! :popcorn::hiding:



SIPU #11 Posted 05 March 2020 - 08:00 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 04 March 2020 - 10:13 PM, said:

BTW it's only the 1 first battle where it tries to give you top tier.

 

I agree, my observation also. This goes for all tanks included tech tree tanks.

 

It is also part of psychology. When new tank loses its freshness you will start to take bad matchups more seriously hence noticing them more.

Well, you play Defender so you should not have any reason to complain at all.


Edited by SIPU, 05 March 2020 - 08:03 AM.


Cobra6 #12 Posted 05 March 2020 - 08:33 AM

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First game in a new tank is pretty much always top tier, after that you are fair game.

 

What you experienced is probably rather over-confidence after your first winning streak of 15 games. You suddenly get more reckless, take more risk and thus get slaughtered more. It's quite common actually and why it's better to not look at your winratio in tanks too often.

 

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View Post_zzzz_, on 05 March 2020 - 12:30 AM, said:

Buy a Fort Knox pack, that way you get better RNG, MM, teammates, better spawns... :hiding:

If that only would be true WG would made trillions of EURO.



Homer_J #14 Posted 05 March 2020 - 09:48 AM

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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 04 March 2020 - 11:23 PM, said:

Explain to me why I ALWAYS get south spawn while encounter. I used to get North.. Its out of statistics coincidence.

 

That's easily fixed, turn off Encounter.

 

I have just as many premium tanks with low battle counts and bad win rates as I have with low battle counts and high win rates.  There is absolutely no evidence for your theories.

 

I think Cobra6 has it right.  You think you are in the invincible Defender and take risks you shouldn't do after having a run of luck in your first dozen battles.  I had the same with the T-54 which is why I have a 46% win rate after 400 battles despite doing well in other similar tanks.  I had it in beta when it really was broken and invincible.  I don't think I ever shook off that mentality with it.



LZ_Mordan #15 Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:34 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 05 March 2020 - 08:48 AM, said:

 

 

I think Cobra6 has it right.  You think you are in the invincible Defender and take risks you shouldn't do after having a run of luck in your first dozen battles.  I had the same with the T-54 which is why I have a 46% win rate after 400 battles despite doing well in other similar tanks.  I had it in beta when it really was broken and invincible.  I don't think I ever shook off that mentality with it.

 

you got a point.. but really i get really bad teams with it. its not that a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

 

The problem is that the MM can feel really toxic. That's something WG should fix. There is this nagging feeling the MM is used to frustrate/make player happy in order to manipulate him into playing more/buying more.

 

As a business person, would you not use such a tool to increase profits? my answer to this is that its short term profits. because toxicity is never good for the bottom line.



Homer_J #16 Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:47 PM

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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 05 March 2020 - 11:34 AM, said:

 

As a business person, would you not use such a tool to increase profits?

 

As a business I would not spend money designing and building a system which does what simple random selection does anyway. 

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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 05 March 2020 - 11:34 AM, said:

 

you got a point.. but really i get really bad teams with it.

 

 

You have figures for that or is it just the feels?



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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 05 March 2020 - 12:34 PM, said:

 

you got a point.. but really i get really bad teams with it. 

I highly doubt this. I think it is more likely that you are the type of person who always blames his teammates instead of himself. :sceptic:



TungstenHitman #18 Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:57 PM

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Looks like you were just lucky for 5 battles and then got normal MM with ummm "normal" teammates. 

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View PostLZ_Mordan, on 05 March 2020 - 11:34 AM, said:

 

you got a point.. but really i get really bad teams with it. its not that a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

 

The problem is that the MM can feel really toxic. That's something WG should fix. There is this nagging feeling the MM is used to frustrate/make player happy in order to manipulate him into playing more/buying more.

 

As a business person, would you not use such a tool to increase profits? my answer to this is that its short term profits. because toxicity is never good for the bottom line.


Can you imagine the crap-storm that would happen when the players found out this was going on and if it’s so noticeable then that’s what’s going to happen not to mention the risk of it being leaked by an employee.


Edited by jabster, 05 March 2020 - 01:11 PM.


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View Postjabster, on 05 March 2020 - 12:11 PM, said:


Can you imagine the crap-storm that would happen when the players found out this was going on and if it’s so noticeable then that’s what’s going to happen not to mention the risk of it being leaked by an employee.

There is enough obvious ways for WG to make money, in most cases they are quite open about it, ie:- stock tanks, modules, crew training, premium tanks, +2 MM, MM templates,etc....but such obvious thing aren't enough for many, they feel the need to claim tin-foil hat stuff because they're oppressed unicums.






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