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Hexenwahn #1 Posted 09 March 2020 - 08:45 PM

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I didn't get it when it was released, but I watched a lot of reviews on how good this tank is, almost a Defender, blah blah.

 

Now I got it with Twitch Prime and played it a couple of times.. and it's bad, but bad like abysmal bad.

 

  • It's slow, very slow and feels sluggish
  • Aiming time and dispersion very bad, like you have to wait forever for that reticle to shrink
  • No side armor, no sidescrape - if you angle even a bit it gets penned through the side armor
  • If you go hull down it gets penned through its turret cheeks by high tiers and by everyone shooting gold ammo

 

Was the tank always this bad or was it nerfed lately?!



shikaka9 #2 Posted 09 March 2020 - 08:52 PM

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it was always bad, just WoT promoters said its super something 

MeNoobTank #3 Posted 09 March 2020 - 08:55 PM

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What is your definition of good ? What heavy tank do you like ?

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Its good if you play good. Dont expect to hold w and kill everyone

Hexenwahn #5 Posted 09 March 2020 - 09:17 PM

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View PostMeNoobTank, on 09 March 2020 - 07:55 PM, said:

What is your definition of good ? What heavy tank do you like ?

 

This is my definition of bad:

 

  • It's slow, very slow and feels sluggish
  • Aiming time and dispersion very bad, like you have to wait forever for that reticle to shrink
  • No side armor, no sidescrape - if you angle even a bit it gets penned through the side armor
  • If you go hull down it gets penned through its turret cheeks by high tiers and by everyone shooting gold ammo

 

A good tank should have at least a redeeming quality, this has none.

 

As for good tanks, take for example T32 - although the rest of the tank is meh, it has a good turret on which you know you can rely. Or T26E5 - mediocre armor, low alpha but good mobility and gun handling.

 

No, Defender is not a good tank, Defender is OP.



Amun_RA #6 Posted 09 March 2020 - 09:18 PM

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View PostHexenwahn, on 09 March 2020 - 07:45 PM, said:

I didn't get it when it was released, but I watched a lot of reviews on how good this tank is, almost a Defender, blah blah.

 

Now I got it with Twitch Prime and played it a couple of times.. and it's bad, but bad like abysmal bad.

 

  • It's slow, very slow and feels sluggish
  • Aiming time and dispersion very bad, like you have to wait forever for that reticle to shrink
  • No side armor, no sidescrape - if you angle even a bit it gets penned through the side armor
  • If you go hull down it gets penned through its turret cheeks by high tiers and by everyone shooting gold ammo

 

Was the tank always this bad or was it nerfed lately?!

 

50tp prot is by far one of the best premiums ever released. But you shouldn't say 'if you are hull down'... You should always try to play hull down. And don't judge it only by how it performs in tier 10.

 

If I can make this tank work, it definitely is good.

 

And btw... I play it without food. 


Edited by Amun_RA, 09 March 2020 - 09:26 PM.


gitgud_cannot #7 Posted 09 March 2020 - 10:07 PM

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well i dont have it, but i think that the only thing holding it back is kind of a bad penetration 218 ap and 245 apcr.

armor is not as good as on a defender, but it has a lot of autobounce angles, same as 60tp has troll armor.

If we compare 50tp prot and defender, then 50tp prot is better in pretty much every single way - only thing defender has is its armor and slightly better penetration, the rest is total garbage on defender.



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Good? Who said it's good? Stick to RASHA comrad. :hiding:

The only good things are:

440 alpha.

Solid turret against AP. Otherwise? Meh.



gitgud_cannot #9 Posted 09 March 2020 - 11:22 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 09 March 2020 - 11:27 PM, said:

Good? Who said it's good? Stick to RASHA comrad. :hiding:

The only good things are:

440 alpha.

Solid turret against AP. Otherwise? Meh.

defender actually has weaker turret than 50tp prot :)



Hexenwahn #10 Posted 09 March 2020 - 11:55 PM

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View Postgitgud_cannot, on 09 March 2020 - 10:22 PM, said:

defender actually has weaker turret than 50tp prot :)

 

Nope, Defender's turret is 250, 50TP is 150 and Defender's turret cannot be penned frontally, even with gold (maybe the hatches, but they're hard to hit), while 50TP turret can.

 

Almost everything looks better on paper for 50TP compared to Defender: better aim time, better dispersion, better reload, traverse, hull armor, power to weight ratio... and yet Defender accelerates better, shoots better and feels more agile, although they have the same terrain resist values :trollface:



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View PostHexenwahn, on 09 March 2020 - 11:55 PM, said:

 

Nope, Defender's turret is 250, 50TP is 150 and Defender's turret cannot be penned frontally, even with gold (maybe the hatches, but they're hard to hit), while 50TP turret can.

 

Almost everything looks better on paper for 50TP compared to Defender: better aim time, better dispersion, better reload, traverse, hull armor, power to weight ratio... and yet Defender accelerates better, shoots better and feels more agile, although they have the same terrain resist values :trollface:



You might want to loosen your tinfoil hat a bit, looks like its cutting off the blood flow to your brains

you've barely played the tank and you're couple hundred off from you're usual dpg for tier 8 so its not the end of the world. 
Just dont play it like a defender, if you think you dont have enough armor, dont sit still in open hoping to bounce stuff, even if its hulldown



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View PostHexenwahn, on 09 March 2020 - 08:45 PM, said:

I didn't get it when it was released, but I watched a lot of reviews on how good this tank is, almost a Defender, blah blah.

 

Now I got it with Twitch Prime and played it a couple of times.. and it's bad, but bad like abysmal bad.

 

  • It's slow, very slow and feels sluggish
  • Aiming time and dispersion very bad, like you have to wait forever for that reticle to shrink
  • No side armor, no sidescrape - if you angle even a bit it gets penned through the side armor
  • If you go hull down it gets penned through its turret cheeks by high tiers and by everyone shooting gold ammo

 

Was the tank always this bad or was it nerfed lately?!

Its bad but i dont have it, I only talk from experience to deal with them. They are big pile of s... Of course comunity contributers has to said its great because wg somehow sponsor them to promote the game. Altough Skill and others says otherwise there are many tanks overhyped from game contributers. In this case skill4ltu said its the best premium heavy bla bla bla lol


Edited by N3rv0u5_M1c0, 10 March 2020 - 06:12 AM.


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View PostHexenwahn, on 10 March 2020 - 12:55 AM, said:

 

Nope, Defender's turret is 250, 50TP is 150 and Defender's turret cannot be penned frontally, even with gold (maybe the hatches, but they're hard to hit), while 50TP turret can.

 

Almost everything looks better on paper for 50TP compared to Defender: better aim time, better dispersion, better reload, traverse, hull armor, power to weight ratio... and yet Defender accelerates better, shoots better and feels more agile, although they have the same terrain resist values :trollface:

you have no clue what you are talking about.

where does 50tp prot has 150 turret? commander hatch is still 180 effective, but the rest is just better than defender - from around 270 - 310 effective armor.

while defender has big crappy cupolas - 150mm and 250mm right next to the gun on the right side, when you face it.

hull down defender works only against morons who dont know where to shoot it.

 



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View Postgitgud_cannot, on 10 March 2020 - 05:42 AM, said:

you have no clue what you are talking about.

where does 50tp prot has 150 turret? commander hatch is still 180 effective, but the rest is just better than defender - from around 270 - 310 effective armor.

while defender has big crappy cupolas - 150mm and 250mm right next to the gun on the right side, when you face it.

hull down defender works only against morons who dont know where to shoot it.

 

 

You are indeed correct, 50TP turret is 210/150/100, my bad, don't know where I'd seen 150.

 

However this doesn't change the fact that 50TP's turret can be frontally penned with gold, while in Defender I've never had a frontal turret penetration. Excepting cupolas, but wiggling your turret prevents this.

 

gitgud_cannot, on 10 March 2020 - 05:42 AM, said:

 hull down defender works only against morons who dont know where to shoot it.

  Whereas hull down 50TP doesn't even work against morons who don't know where to shoot it - load gold, problem solved :)

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You might want to loosen your tinfoil hat a bit, looks like its cutting off the blood flow to your brains

you've barely played the tank and you're couple hundred off from you're usual dpg for tier 8 so its not the end of the world. 
Just dont play it like a defender, if you think you dont have enough armor, dont sit still in open hoping to bounce stuff, even if its hulldown

 

I don't intend to play it or to buy it because I don't like it. I just wanted to know if it was always this bad or was nerfed by WG somewhere along the way.


Edited by Hexenwahn, 10 March 2020 - 07:53 AM.


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you are just wrong,let the armor models speak for themselves.

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Edited by gitgud_cannot, 10 March 2020 - 08:18 AM.


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50 prot has always been this way. It's workable but not great

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Complaining about gun handling of a tier 8 heavy tank with 440 alpha or getting penned by gold ammo from higher tier tanks...

I mean, what do you want? All heavies with this alpha have derpy guns but 50TP prot at least has workable accuracy and aiming time.

It's slightly more mobile than Defender, it has 8 degrees of gun depression (10 to the sides) and unlike Defender - you are not blind as a bat. It's a balanced tank.



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For 2017 WOT this tank is actually OP.

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View PostHexenwahn, on 10 March 2020 - 07:53 AM, said:

 

You are indeed correct, 50TP turret is 210/150/100, my bad, don't know where I'd seen 150.

 

However this doesn't change the fact that 50TP's turret can be frontally penned with gold, while in Defender I've never had a frontal turret penetration. Excepting cupolas, but wiggling your turret prevents this.

 

  Whereas hull down 50TP doesn't even work against morons who don't know where to shoot it - load gold, problem solved :)

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I don't intend to play it or to buy it because I don't like it. I just wanted to know if it was always this bad or was nerfed by WG somewhere along the way.

Apparently It was pre nerfed before it ever went on sale, the sold as a Defender mk 2, I got it first time around,and took it in a training room with my then clan mates,OMG the shame and the rage,tier 6 tanks could penit with ease,and from all sides,it is preceiclythis which is stopping me thankfully from buying the Renegade,save your money for a night out with some good friends.



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View PostInappropriate_noob, on 10 March 2020 - 03:47 PM, said:

Apparently It was pre nerfed before it ever went on sale, the sold as a Defender mk 2, I got it first time around,and took it in a training room with my then clan mates,OMG the shame and the rage,tier 6 tanks could penit with ease,and from all sides,it is preceiclythis which is stopping me thankfully from buying the Renegade,save your money for a night out with some good friends.

 

But who would listen? :)






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