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LazzaIron #1 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:28 AM

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The matchmaking is broken. Pitching tier 6 against 8!? I only have one tier 6 and playing against tier 8 and premium 8 feels a bit unfair, Is this really how it supposed to work?

TheJungleBeast #2 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:29 AM

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Yes.

 

 

 



Nitro_Tank #3 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:31 AM

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Thats how it has been before the battle pass too. You can meet tanks that are 2 levels above you and also 2 levels below you.

 

I feel you though, tier 6 to 8 is a massive difference and will often result in having slim to none chance if youre not really good. I don't like it either, but it wont be fixed any time soon as far as i can tell.



NUKLEAR_SLUG #4 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:31 AM

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You've got 3 months to work through the event. Chill. 

_6i6_ #5 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:37 AM

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View PostLazzaIron, on 15 March 2020 - 11:28 AM, said:

The matchmaking is broken. Pitching tier 6 against 8!? I only have one tier 6 and playing against tier 8 and premium 8 feels a bit unfair, Is this really how it supposed to work?

With 626 battles you should not be playing tier 6



splash_time #6 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:38 AM

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View PostLazzaIron, on 15 March 2020 - 12:28 PM, said:

The matchmaking is broken. Pitching tier 6 against 8!? I only have one tier 6 and playing against tier 8 and premium 8 feels a bit unfair, Is this really how it supposed to work?

 

First, MM is always forming -2/+2 matchups. The only tanks you can count on are PMM tanks, which most of them are meh... 

 

And as @NUCLEAR_SLUG said, no need to hurry, just play as usual. 



lospescas #7 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:40 AM

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The event is indifferent to me :unsure:, but if I get any reward, it will be welcome :great:.  Regarding the levels, it has always been like this, although before it was even worse, I know that it is not a consolation :sceptic:.

splash_time #8 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:46 AM

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View Post_6i6_, on 15 March 2020 - 12:37 PM, said:

With 626 battles you should not be playing tier 6

 

I guess it's the rental T34-85M or either he bought it. 

 

View PostLazzaIron, on 15 March 2020 - 12:28 PM, said:

The matchmaking is broken. Pitching tier 6 against 8!? I only have one tier 6 and playing against tier 8 and premium 8 feels a bit unfair, Is this really how it supposed to work?

 

You still don't have enough experience to fight or play in T6, because you'll mostly meet T8s that are way above you. And you can't complete the whole event with only 1 T6, you'll need more tanks, so stick to your grinds and try to research more tanks with patience, because you won't learn how to play if you skip tiers. 

 

Gl. 


Edited by splash_time, 15 March 2020 - 10:48 AM.


iceni1 #9 Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:46 AM

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Tier 6 is actually the best value for money on the battle pass.

450 5 point games is 19 tier 6's completed with 57 effective free 5point games.
450 5 point games is 3.8 tier 9's completed with 18 effective free 5point games.

90 days of play time is 450/90 5 5point games a day average or 25 points per day. 3.5 levels per week.

The gold upgrades make that 250/90 2.7 5 point games a day average or 14 points per day average. 2 levels per week.

Because you only have a couple of Tier 6's and a fairly new account the chances of completing battle pass are slim. So take what you can with the tanks you have.

A more established account with access to several tanks of each tier or even a smattering of tier 8's and 9's should be able to complete the event. It's also pointless buying Tier 8 premiums for the event as you will need:

5 tier 8's with 25 effective free 5 point games plus a couple of completed tier 6's.

Tier 6 against 8's is always going to be hard, but you are never aiming for the 7point battles. Just track the averages.

Edited by iceni1, 15 March 2020 - 11:14 AM.


BravelyRanAway #10 Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:02 AM

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View PostLazzaIron, on 15 March 2020 - 09:28 AM, said:

The matchmaking is broken. Pitching tier 6 against 8!? 

You should rush on to T8...things will get better then. :trollface:



gitgud_cannot #11 Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:22 AM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 15 March 2020 - 12:02 PM, said:

You should rush on to T8...things will get better then. :trollface:

just buy Lowe :D



arthurwellsley #12 Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:41 AM

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View PostLazzaIron, on 15 March 2020 - 09:28 AM, said:

The matchmaking is broken. Pitching tier 6 against 8!? I only have one tier 6 and playing against tier 8 and premium 8 feels a bit unfair, Is this really how it supposed to work?

 

View Postsplash_time, on 15 March 2020 - 09:38 AM, said:

 

First, MM is always forming -2/+2 matchups. The only tanks you can count on are PMM tanks, which most of them are meh... 

 

And as @NUCLEAR_SLUG said, no need to hurry, just play as usual. 

 

MM only recently went to -2/+2. When World of Tanks began as a game the MM was frequently -3/+3 MM, which is part of the reason back then, when the Type 59 was introduced that it was regarded as a monster thanks to it's -2/+2 MM, which had a huge effect back then (and now not so much).

 

Lazzalron, this is a complex rich content game. It is quite possible to do extremely well in a tier VI in a tier VIII match, however, you need to have a very good grasp of game mechanics to do so.



Bora_BOOM #13 Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:27 PM

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View Postgitgud_cannot, on 15 March 2020 - 10:22 AM, said:

just buy Lowe :D

 

The saddest thing is that Lowe is actually not a bad tank.



Balc0ra #14 Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:42 PM

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View PostLazzaIron, on 15 March 2020 - 10:28 AM, said:

The matchmaking is broken. Pitching tier 6 against 8!? I only have one tier 6 and playing against tier 8 and premium 8 feels a bit unfair, Is this really how it supposed to work?

 

You have just over 600 games. WOT has a steep learning curve, and some tanks struggle with equal tiers, let alone +2. You have zero games in tier 5, as you used the tutorial reward to skip to tier 6. Missing vital steps on the way. And if you don't know how to fight vs tier 6 and 7 via your tier 5's, you won't fair better vs tier 8. And if your tier 6 still has the stock guns, it won't fair better vs anything to get points even. Grind your tier 4's, get a tier 5 and learn the mechanics more, and your only tier 6 won't give you that much more points anyway. So take your time. As the battle pass event is still long from over, and you have time. Use it.



TheDrownedApe #15 Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:44 PM

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This is why we have a newcomers section

LazzaIron #16 Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:53 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 15 March 2020 - 10:46 AM, said:

 

I guess it's the rental T34-85M or either he bought it. 

 

 

You still don't have enough experience to fight or play in T6, because you'll mostly meet T8s that are way above you. And you can't complete the whole event with only 1 T6, you'll need more tanks, so stick to your grinds and try to research more tanks with patience, because you won't learn how to play if you skip tiers. 

 

Gl. 


Thanks. I agree. I'm mostly a grinder. I usually play tier 3-4, As you are saying - getting experience (developing 2-3 tech trees). In the battlepass I'm averaging 350-450 exp. But that only gets me to rank 11-12 most of the times.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 15 March 2020 - 12:42 PM, said:

 

You have just over 600 games. WOT has a steep learning curve, and some tanks struggle with equal tiers, let alone +2. You have zero games in tier 5, as you used the tutorial reward to skip to tier 6. Missing vital steps on the way. And if you don't know how to fight vs tier 6 and 7 via your tier 5's, you won't fair better vs tier 8. And if your tier 6 still has the stock guns, it won't fair better vs anything to get points even. Grind your tier 4's, get a tier 5 and learn the mechanics more, and your only tier 6 won't give you that much more points anyway. So take your time. As the battle pass event is still long from over, and you have time. Use it.


Okay. Got it. Thanks for advice.

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View Post_6i6_, on 15 March 2020 - 10:37 AM, said:

With 626 battles you should not be playing ti

 

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View Posticeni1, on 15 March 2020 - 10:46 AM, said:

Tier 6 is actually the best value for money on the battle pass.

450 5 point games is 19 tier 6's completed with 57 effective free 5point games.
450 5 point games is 3.8 tier 9's completed with 18 effective free 5point games.

90 days of play time is 450/90 5 5point games a day average or 25 points per day. 3.5 levels per week.

The gold upgrades make that 250/90 2.7 5 point games a day average or 14 points per day average. 2 levels per week.

Because you only have a couple of Tier 6's and a fairly new account the chances of completing battle pass are slim. So take what you can with the tanks you have.

A more established account with access to several tanks of each tier or even a smattering of tier 8's and 9's should be able to complete the event. It's also pointless buying Tier 8 premiums for the event as you will need:

5 tier 8's with 25 effective free 5 point games plus a couple of completed tier 6's.

Tier 6 against 8's is always going to be hard, but you are never aiming for the 7point battles. Just track the averages.


Excellent advice! I'll lower my expectations and stop whining. 

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View Postsplash_time, on 15 March 2020 - 10:46 AM, said:

 

I guess it's the rental T34-85M or either he bought it. 

 

 

You still don't have enough experience to fight or play in T6, because you'll mostly meet T8s that are way above you. And you can't complete the whole event with only 1 T6, you'll need more tanks, so stick to your grinds and try to research more tanks with patience, because you won't learn how to play if you skip tiers. 

 

Gl. 


I won it as a price. I only have tier 1-4 tanks.


Edited by LazzaIron, 15 March 2020 - 01:07 PM.


malachi6 #17 Posted 15 March 2020 - 01:20 PM

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View Post_6i6_, on 15 March 2020 - 10:37 AM, said:

With 626 battles you should not be playing tier 6

 

Your syllogism is flawed.  Your proposition appears to be, player A has a low battle-count player A may play with me, therefore player a is no good and I do not want them with me.  This presupposes that battle-count is an indicator of ability and that you have some kind of right to determine who gets to play what.

 

How would you feel if someone told you what you could or could and could not do based upon a couple of numbers?



_6i6_ #18 Posted 15 March 2020 - 01:51 PM

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View Postmalachi6, on 15 March 2020 - 02:20 PM, said:

 

Your syllogism is flawed.  Your proposition appears to be, player A has a low battle-count player A may play with me, therefore player a is no good and I do not want them with me.  This presupposes that battle-count is an indicator of ability and that you have some kind of right to determine who gets to play what.

 

How would you feel if someone told you what you could or could and could not do based upon a couple of numbers?

Well it was not a complete syllogism per-se, but i assumed he is a new player (and not some old player who created a new account or re-rolled). Therefore, at such low battle count( i didnt check his stats to be honest) i am quite sure he is getting a really nasty time at tier 6 since he probably is unaware of map positioning and the tanks he is facing there. And i did not mention that low battle count is an indication(or not) of ability but merely of experience and knowledge of the game mechanics and how-to's.

 

edit: and btw i said he shouldn't be playing-not he must not play. So i kinda let it up to him :)


Edited by _6i6_, 15 March 2020 - 01:53 PM.


iceni1 #19 Posted 15 March 2020 - 02:01 PM

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View Post_6i6_, on 15 March 2020 - 10:37 AM, said:

With 626 battles you should not be playing tier 6


I have a matilda with 1800+ battles on it. I love that tank. Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to play lower tiers. It's only an issue with this battle pass mode, had they put in more tiers starting at tier 4 or 5 then it might have opened the mode up a little more.

This is also only the first stage of battle pass. There will be more stages when this one is done with new rewards. So it will provide the carrot on the stick to those that haven't pushed into the game a little deeper.

I can guarantee the OP is now looking deeper into the trees and is picking what lines to pick so as to not be caught short in the future. It's also a good motivator to expand your garage, Having a lot of tanks to hand that can be capped quickly will be the best way to progress due to the T6 advantage to free games. If you can support those 19 T6's then it's a no brainer to use them for this mode, And there are what 50+ T6 tanks you could have. Personally I have a big garage already as I like my played tanks to have crews and be ready! I think i have something like 140 tanks slots. It's why the tank rewards 3 slot reward is better than the female crew. I can get EXP easy, Getting slots costs money.

 



Slyspy #20 Posted 15 March 2020 - 02:13 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 15 March 2020 - 11:41 AM, said:

 

 

MM only recently went to -2/+2. When World of Tanks began as a game the MM was frequently -3/+3 MM, which is part of the reason back then, when the Type 59 was introduced that it was regarded as a monster thanks to it's -2/+2 MM, which had a huge effect back then (and now not so much).

 

Lazzalron, this is a complex rich content game. It is quite possible to do extremely well in a tier VI in a tier VIII match, however, you need to have a very good grasp of game mechanics to do so.

 

Recently? I've been playing since 2011 and I don't recall ever playing in the -3/+3 environment although I do remember the old scout tank MM.







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