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Lanrefni #1 Posted 17 March 2020 - 08:10 AM

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It just baffles me if and when artillery outspots my tanks while being in a bush itself, and when I have maxed camo. Such way, it ruined me an 8k game yesterday in AMX 50 B (was won, in any case). Another time was when I was somehow outspotted in my Škoda T 50, and obviously, instantly shotgunned from a distance, probably with a snapshot, which triggers me even harder

 

 

Can someone explain how and/or why it happens so often?



shikaka9 #2 Posted 17 March 2020 - 08:14 AM

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because this game has nothing to do with IRL logic :) and in game logic is fake ... so all explanations to this situation are made-up :teethhappy:

Edited by shikaka9, 17 March 2020 - 08:19 AM.


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You won't like this but.....

 

Do you have a replay? There are possible explanations but without a replay they would only be speculations, mostly that you were spotted by another tank that you couldn't see. 



splash_time #4 Posted 17 March 2020 - 08:35 AM

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Probably you done a wrong move, or you were still spotted for enemy team. And as @unhappy_bunny said, uploading a replay might help us and you to understand if you done anything wrong. :)

burbage1 #5 Posted 17 March 2020 - 08:45 AM

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If they are in cover and you are moving it makes sense, even if the game isn't designed that way. 

 

BTW, the leafblower outspots everyone.



jack_timber #6 Posted 17 March 2020 - 08:49 AM

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Are you sure it was arty that spotted you, my arty have difficulty seeing past the end of the barrel.....

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Had a Cw game in the recent campaign where I outspotted several 277/260 players whit my full-cammo CGC crew. They drove 120m in front of me for several minutes until they found my bush (Hadn´t even cammonet ).

 

Definitely possible.



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Sounds like a case of "I rarely play arty myself".

Wintermute_1 #9 Posted 17 March 2020 - 10:08 AM

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Given you don't provide specifics I'll assume the scenario is the standard one ie, a stationary arty in cover with moving tanks in the open racing for the final kill or two. Which isn't even an issue, no one reasonable would expect the arty to be spotted first under these circumstances. Of course you could provide a replay which shows how the low view range, poor camo arty was out spotting you under some other circumstances and I'll reconsider.

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View Postunhappy__bunny, on 17 March 2020 - 09:18 AM, said:

You won't like this but.....

 

Do you have a replay? There are possible explanations but without a replay they would only be speculations, mostly that you were spotted by another tank that you couldn't see. 

Arty was solo in AMX 50 B case on Lakeville in base, in Škoda's case arta was alone, closest red tank was more than 400m away on Fish bay upper left corner.

 

and whats this nonsense about me not spotting something in a tier 10 game?

 

View Postsplash_time, on 17 March 2020 - 09:35 AM, said:

you to understand if you done anything wrong. :)

 

 what

 

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If they are in cover and you are moving it makes sense, even if the game isn't designed that way. 

 If bush substitutes as ''cover''... k...

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BTW, the leafblower outspots everyone.

 Which is why I spot in it more often than I damage, LOL.

 

View Postjack_timber, on 17 March 2020 - 09:49 AM, said:

Are you sure it was arty that spotted you, my arty have difficulty seeing past the end of the barrel.....

 

It was. Pretty certain i cannot get spotted by ''nothing''.

 

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Had a Cw game in the recent campaign where I outspotted several 277/260 players whit my full-cammo CGC crew. They drove 120m in front of me for several minutes until they found my bush (Hadn´t even cammonet ).

 

Definitely possible.

 Well max camo is a given, thus, i should spot things with my max camo Artobat 58 with binos. Still doesn't make sense, and should be changed.

I just hope the objective reality isn't that everyone drives on arty uses camonet.

 


Edited by Lanrefni, 17 March 2020 - 10:28 AM.


Homer_J #11 Posted 17 March 2020 - 10:21 AM

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View PostLanrefni, on 17 March 2020 - 07:10 AM, said:

Can someone explain how and/or why it happens so often?

 

Because you don't fully understand spotting mechanics I would guess.

 

Arty is subject to the same rules as every other tank, if their camo + bushes reduces your spotting range to less than their spotting range taking into account your camo + bushes then they will spot you first.  Once they spot you they can move back 15m behind the bush and have up to ten seconds to aim and shoot, just like any other tank.

 

A lot of people seem to assume they will spot an arty before it spots them when they are 1v1 at the end of a battle and so they don't bother to think about their approach, come from obvious angles, in the open, and make themselves an easy shot.



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So the arty is sat in a bush, camo net up, binoculars active... and you're wondering how you got spotted as you charged towards him in your heavy tank?

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 March 2020 - 11:21 AM, said:

 

Because you don't fully understand spotting mechanics I would guess.

I do, but it does not make any sense when a tank with less than 300m base viewrange outspots you.

 

View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 17 March 2020 - 11:22 AM, said:

So the arty is sat in a bush, camo net up, binoculars active... and you're wondering how you got spotted as you charged towards him in your heavy tank?

I know not if it had camo net or binos or both, but it should not happen by normal means.



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View PostLanrefni, on 17 March 2020 - 10:30 AM, said:

I do, but it does not make any sense when a tank with less than 300m base viewrange outspots you.

 

 

Well, the artificially extremely short view range that arty has doesn't make any sense either, but both bushes and view ranges are game mechanics. Sorry to hear that the easy to farm late game kills are very occasionally not that easy for you.



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View PostLanrefni, on 17 March 2020 - 09:30 AM, said:

I do, but it does not make any sense when a tank with less than 300m base viewrange outspots you.

 

Just looking at base view range is far too simplistic.

 

OK, also a lot of arty has no base camo but they also have no useful equipment or skills so camo net and camo skill will often be in play, and bushes still have the same effect.

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View PostLanrefni, on 17 March 2020 - 07:10 AM, said:

Can someone explain how and/or why it happens so often?

 

http://www.wotinfo.n...camo-calculator

 

Might help.

 

I ran the figures for an Obj261 with likely equipment and skills vs your AMX50b with likely skills and equipment

 

You would spot them behind a dense bush at 170m

They would spot you moving in the open at 296m

 

That's a pretty big advantage to the arty.

 

And the Skoda comes off just as bad.


Edited by Homer_J, 17 March 2020 - 11:06 AM.


Private_Miros #16 Posted 17 March 2020 - 11:05 AM

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Spotting mechanics is a card game. That's the best way to compare it. You have cards that make you visible, and you have cards that make you hidden, and these all add up to the base view range and camo values.

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View PostLanrefni, on 17 March 2020 - 09:18 AM, said:

Arty was solo in AMX 50 B case on Lakeville in base, in Škoda's case arta was alone, closest red tank was more than 400m away on Fish bay upper left corner.

 

and whats this nonsense about me not spotting something in a tier 10 game?

 

 

 

You see what I meant? Without a replay, based on your very brief and incomplete description, we could only speculate. 

Now you have added the tanks involved, the maps, and the tier, but still no replay. Despite that extra information, speculation is still the only option to us. 



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I emoji'd it for you.

 

:bush:  >    :izmena:



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replay please :girl:

mateyflip #20 Posted 17 March 2020 - 12:47 PM

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OP, remove the big white arrow pointing down from your tank.

 

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