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Lee3452 #1 Posted 20 March 2020 - 01:11 PM

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In my quest to improve I am willing to take criticism from all players in an attempt to improve. What in this battle did I do wrong that seemed to upset some players.  Usually its fairly obvious but I didn't think this battle was that bad even though we lost.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/5279692#siegfried_line-lee3452-progetto_m40_mod_65



GodTank2 #2 Posted 20 March 2020 - 01:43 PM

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You sat in the back doing nothing, literally that position is useless , you applied 0 pressure and just redline sniped. Then you went and drove like a tourist taking shots from everywhere and throwing your tank away.

Sitting at spawn waiting for the enemies to come to you is a very bad play , you need to go and find some easy targets to shoot.



Lee3452 #3 Posted 20 March 2020 - 02:42 PM

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View PostGodTank2, on 20 March 2020 - 12:43 PM, said:

You sat in the back doing nothing, literally that position is useless , you applied 0 pressure and just redline sniped. Then you went and drove like a tourist taking shots from everywhere and throwing your tank away.

Sitting at spawn waiting for the enemies to come to you is a very bad play , you need to go and find some easy targets to shoot.

I take it you mean causing damage is considered as doing nothing. Are you saying the Progetto is a brawler and should be taken into the built up area. Where should I have gone. 



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View PostLee3452, on 20 March 2020 - 03:42 PM, said:

I take it you mean causing damage is considered as doing nothing. Are you saying the Progetto is a brawler and should be taken into the built up area. Where should I have gone. 

Its doesn't matter if you do damage when the game is already lost. You want to do damage that matters. You could of gone to the right side for some shots, maybe go up the castle area or even go under the castle and snipe anything crossing the field.



Lee3452 #5 Posted 20 March 2020 - 03:02 PM

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I did damage right from the start? but are you saying it was the wrong type of damage.

 


Edited by Lee3452, 20 March 2020 - 03:03 PM.


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View PostLee3452, on 20 March 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:

I did damage right from the start? but are you saying it was the wrong type of damage.

 

 

You are top on damage yet 6th on experience. You need to show presence in the game so the enemy doesn't push. If you would hold an angle rather that sit back and snipe maybe 1-2 enemies wouldn't push as far as they did. Good job you did 3k dmg but in the end you still lost and applied 0 pressure on any flank.



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Didn't watched the replay, but from the comments of GodTank2 I already know with which kind of player we are dealing with... ;-)

 

Doing damage after a flank has collapsed can lead to very nice avg. damage statistics, but that kind of damage will not reward you with a high winrate. In medium and heavy tanks you should put pressure on your opponents right from the start. Don't let them come to you, get it to them right away. It's kinda contradicting, but you have to be agressive in a careful way. Do damage while not taking shots in return. Don't expose yourself to much and take key positions on the map ASAP.

 

Just watch some streamers and youtubers and learn about how they play the Progetto. It looks like you are willing to learn, that already makes you better than half the playerbase. Keep it up!


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Lee3452 #8 Posted 20 March 2020 - 03:17 PM

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Yes I saw the T49 show his presence on the left side is that what you wanted me to do. Where on the right side should I have gone to get those couple of shots in.
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View Postbbmoose, on 20 March 2020 - 02:15 PM, said:

Didn't watched the replay, but from the comments of GodTank2 I already know with which kind of player we are dealing with... ;-)

 

Doing damage after a flank has collapsed can lead to very nice avg. damage statistics, but that kind of damage will not reward you with a high winrate. In medium and heavy tanks you should put pressure on your opponents right from the start. Don't let them come to you, get it to them right away. It's kinda contradicting, but you have to be agressive in a careful way. Do damage while not taking shots in return. Don't expose yourself to much and take key positions on the map ASAP.

 

Just watch some streamers and youtubers and learn about how they play the Progetto. It looks like you are willing to learn, that already makes you better than half the playerbase. Keep it up!

Didn't watch the replay then how can you comment. I believe I stopped a push down the side of the town by hitting E75 and  AMX which stopped them from pushing or indeed others. What is key position on this map for Progetto that won't expose it to the 3 artys?


Edited by Lee3452, 20 March 2020 - 03:36 PM.


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Look for opportunities, don't just sit back and wait to lose.

 



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View PostLee3452, on 20 March 2020 - 02:17 PM, said:

 

Didn't watch the replay then how can you comment. 

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Sometimes the stats show you everything you need to know so you don't need to watch the replay.



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View PostGodTank2, on 20 March 2020 - 02:40 PM, said:

Look for opportunities, don't just sit back and wait to lose.

 

That's where the rest of the team where in the main so why did I need to be there. So how is the nearest position with 5 cover points indicated safe from the 3 arties?


Edited by Lee3452, 20 March 2020 - 03:50 PM.


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View PostGodTank2, on 20 March 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

Look for opportunities, don't just sit back and wait to lose.

 

Opportunities to get spotted and shot?

 



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After looking at your recent stats I would advice you to step down to tier 6-7 to get a bit more comfortable with playing the game. Not sure if you've had a long break or something but right now you are playing below your previous average level on every tier.

You seem to be a very passive player with such high survival rates, you could try other type of tanks more fitting to that role or try to be more aggressive.

 

View PostLee3452, on 20 March 2020 - 02:49 PM, said:

That's where the rest of the team where in the main so why did I need to be there.

Because two tanks are more than twice as strong as one



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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 20 March 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Opportunities to get spotted and shot?

 

? You are not playing alone , those are chokepoints that if the enemy pushes they will be in a crossfire. You are basically reinforcing the flanks.

 

View PostLee3452, on 20 March 2020 - 04:49 PM, said:

That's where the rest of the team where in the main so why did I need to be there. So how is the nearest position with 5 cover points indicated safe from the 3 arties?

 

So because there are 3 arties everyone has to sit in the redline? Look at map , look at where enemies are spotted and find gaps to flank or crossfire.



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View Posteldrak, on 20 March 2020 - 02:52 PM, said:

After looking at your recent stats I would advice you to step down to tier 6-7 to get a bit more comfortable with playing the game. Not sure if you've had a long break or something but right now you are playing below your previous average level on every tier.

You seem to be a very passive player with such high survival rates, you could try other type of tanks more fitting to that role or try to be more aggressive.

 

Because two tanks are more than twice as strong as one

I took a break for about 3 years. I am aggressive player and usually die in most of my games. So I don't know where the high survival rate comes from it states 24.9 % in this tank.alone or is that considered a high survival rate?



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View PostLee3452, on 20 March 2020 - 12:11 PM, said:

Hi Guys

In my quest to improve I am willing to take criticism from all players in an attempt to improve. What in this battle did I do wrong that seemed to upset some players.  Usually its fairly obvious but I didn't think this battle was that bad even though we lost.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/5279692#siegfried_line-lee3452-progetto_m40_mod_65

 

First off you weren't the only one to blame but.

 

You drove 10m, knocked down a tree and then let the heavies scout for you.

 

You (to be fair not only you but a large part of the blame is yours) gave away map control, allowed the enemy to surround you and then had to fight three fronts,  That is why you lost.  You are in a fast medium, you could have taken a lead in either taking the open flank or the far side of town.  Maybe you would have got some help.

 

When you are top tier, top damage then people will blame you for losing.


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Lee3452 #17 Posted 20 March 2020 - 04:24 PM

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So are we saying the T49 did the right thing by trying to open the left flank and that is where I should of gone?

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Why ask for advice and say you are open to criticism to not listen to it and blame your team mates?

Lee3452 #19 Posted 20 March 2020 - 04:36 PM

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View Postdivsmo, on 20 March 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

Why ask for advice and say you are open to criticism to not listen to it and blame your team mates?

I am I trying to understand but when you get comments from people who didn't watch the replay and those that don't answer some of the questions I raise. Then its hard to take on board.

Statements Like "You have such a high survival rates" which are clearly untrue.

Hardly make me think that I am being given a fair crack.



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overall impressions

 

1-zero map awareness

2- zero aiming

3-zero map knowledge judging by how you drove your tank

4-zero attention to minimap

5-no sixth sense?

8-no optics (that's a personal one others may disagree)

 

why do i think this?

 

at start you drive to nearest bush, its encounter so you stay too far back to farm easy damage, this suggests lack of 1 and 3

then when E75 spotted you are looking around at your team mates instead of shooting him, as a result you get 2 shots in to him instead of 4 and he stays alive, 1,2,3,4

you never even saw the TVP come down 0 line killing your arty so you never move to help 0 line, then he gets behind and spots you and you still never go and kill him 1,3,4

 

overall you just did very little, not 1 active attempt to win the game, not 1 action that helped your team or reacted to the game situation


Edited by So_So_English, 20 March 2020 - 05:48 PM.





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