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Dwigt #1 Posted 20 March 2020 - 01:31 PM

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Hello,

 

Please feel free to share your feedback on the tech tree changes here!



SvenTank2006 #2 Posted 23 March 2020 - 09:00 PM

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What will happen to tanks we plan to research, but we won't be able to research anymore because they'll be relocated?

The question isn't very clear, so I'll give an example: Currently, the KV-2 can lead to the S-51. With the tech tree change, it will no longer lead to the S-51 and instead lead to the SU-152. If we didn't unlock the S-51 when the update comes out, will we need to grind all the other tanks before the S-51?



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View PostDwigt, on 20 March 2020 - 12:31 PM, said:

Hello,

 

Please feel free to share your feedback on the tech tree changes here!

 

What has been done to the tier 4 tanks that have been moved up a tier to tier 5? For example the A-20 or the Covenanter.

 

The article on the portal does says anything on the subject of those tanks haven been rebalanced for their up-tiering.

 

Were they rebalanced? Or were they left untouched and we now have tier 4 masquerading as tier 5?

 

 



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Let's say I researched the Jagdpanther II before 1.9 Update, but the next vehicle, the Jagdtiger, has not yet been unlocked. What will happen next?

If you already have the Jagdpanther II in your Garage, it will remain available there. If not, you can purchase it in the in-game store, from the Collectors’ Vehicles tab. In this case, the Jagdtiger will be researched automatically.

 

Could you please clarify? if i research the T71DA (stock and without buying it), will i have the T69 automatically researched after the upgrade?

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Dwigt #5 Posted 24 March 2020 - 07:22 PM

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View PostSvenTank2006, on 23 March 2020 - 08:00 PM, said:

What will happen to tanks we plan to research, but we won't be able to research anymore because they'll be relocated?

The question isn't very clear, so I'll give an example: Currently, the KV-2 can lead to the S-51. With the tech tree change, it will no longer lead to the S-51 and instead lead to the SU-152. If we didn't unlock the S-51 when the update comes out, will we need to grind all the other tanks before the S-51?

 

View Postmattynob, on 24 March 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

Could you please clarify? if i research the T71DA (stock and without buying it), will i have the T69 automatically researched after the upgrade?

thanks

 

As explained in the article, if a vehicle up to tier 8 (included) has been moved then the next vehicle of the next tier will be automatically researched. It will depend on the tech tree to determine which vehicle you get after the update is released. 

This applies whether you've already researched it or not

 

View PostGkirmathal, on 23 March 2020 - 08:04 PM, said:

 

What has been done to the tier 4 tanks that have been moved up a tier to tier 5? For example the A-20 or the Covenanter.

 

The article on the portal does says anything on the subject of those tanks haven been rebalanced for their up-tiering.

 

Were they rebalanced? Or were they left untouched and we now have tier 4 masquerading as tier 5?

 

 

 

All vehicles that are moving up and down tiers will see their stats adjusted so they can evenly match their new opponents. Balancing these tanks (or other tanks) will not stop after we release the update but we will be able to adjust and balance them if needed.



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View PostDwigt, on 24 March 2020 - 06:22 PM, said:

 

All vehicles that are moving up and down tiers will see their stats adjusted so they can evenly match their new opponents. Balancing these tanks (or other tanks) will not stop after we release the update but we will be able to adjust and balance them if needed.

 

Some more concrete information confirming these tanks will be adjusted before 1.9 release will be more then appreciated by the community.



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View PostDwigt, on 24 March 2020 - 07:22 PM, said:

As explained in the article, if a vehicle up to tier 8 (included) has been moved then the next vehicle of the next tier will be automatically researched. It will depend on the tech tree to determine which vehicle you get after the update is released. 

This applies whether you've already researched it or not

 

If I take the example of the KV-2 and S-51 again, this means that the S-51 will be researched automatically?



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View PostDwigt, on 24 March 2020 - 08:22 PM, said:

As explained in the article, if a vehicle up to tier 8 (included) has been moved then the next vehicle of the next tier will be automatically researched. It will depend on the tech tree to determine which vehicle you get after the update is released. 

This applies whether you've already researched it or not

Except in the case of KV-2/S-51/Su-152 no vehicle is touched, just the techtree connections are rearranged. So people who want to use the KV-2 to research the S-51 likely will be stuck with unusable (unless they spend gold) XP on the KV-2 after 1.9 if they already had the Su-152 researched. Same goes for other techtree crosslinks that will be removed (e.g. HWK-12 -> Leo PTA, AMX12t -> AMX 13 F3)


Edited by Geno1isme, 25 March 2020 - 10:49 AM.


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I'm just looking for an answer for my LTTB. I finished the T100LT line. Now I'm busy for the T54. It's getting replaced to a new line. But I'm not as far in the line the T54 will end up in. What will happen? This is very unclear.



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Please someone explain it to me - I wanted to research T28 through T28 Prototype. I have enough time to research T28 Prototype, but not enough to research the normal T28. The connection between these two is going to be deleted - so am I going to have the normal T28 automatically researched or I wasted my time on researching Prototype? Same thing with Chinese tech tree and VIII tier light tank - > IX tier medium tank. I wanted to research it through the light tank, but the connection is going to be deleted. What's going to happen? I really don't understand, because in the official news they say that I'll get something automatically researched if the preceding tank up to tier VIII is going to be moved to collectible tanks. I think that's pretty unfair, so I hope I'm wrong and I'll get these tanks researched?

Thanks for the response in advance. 



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T54E1 has been changed, it is now a heavy tank and it has 1850 HP. It also received a buff on penetration, it has now 248 mm pen with standard ammo and 310 mm pen with HEAT.

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View Postfilipzabek, on 26 March 2020 - 06:03 PM, said:

Please someone explain it to me - I wanted to research T28 through T28 Prototype. I have enough time to research T28 Prototype, but not enough to research the normal T28. The connection between these two is going to be deleted - so am I going to have the normal T28 automatically researched or I wasted my time on researching Prototype? Same thing with Chinese tech tree and VIII tier light tank - > IX tier medium tank. I wanted to research it through the light tank, but the connection is going to be deleted. What's going to happen? I really don't understand, because in the official news they say that I'll get something automatically researched if the preceding tank up to tier VIII is going to be moved to collectible tanks. I think that's pretty unfair, so I hope I'm wrong and I'll get these tanks researched?

Thanks for the response in advance. 

 

That's basically the same situation than the KV-2 and S-51 (crosslinks between different lines). According to Geno1sme, the vehicules won't be automatically researched:

 

View PostGeno1isme, on 25 March 2020 - 10:48 AM, said:

Except in the case of KV-2/S-51/Su-152 no vehicle is touched, just the techtree connections are rearranged. So people who want to use the KV-2 to research the S-51 likely will be stuck with unusable (unless they spend gold) XP on the KV-2 after 1.9 if they already had the Su-152 researched. Same goes for other techtree crosslinks that will be removed (e.g. HWK-12 -> Leo PTA, AMX12t -> AMX 13 F3)



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VK30.01P from med to heavy. Biggest joke ever. historically it was a med. i can live with WG raping it. but what i can't live with is them raping it and not buffing ANYTHING oh sure it get's "some" extra HP but a huge mobility nerf. just another tank that can't do jack..... THANKS WG for making one of my favourite T6 meds a useless immobile heavy.....

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Still cant fit VSTABs on the Crusader, must be the only tier 6 light that cant.

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There is no compensation for the Chinese HT 113 - i researched it completely with blueprints and national fragments, in the case of AMX 30B i received compensation in my blueprint and national fragments for the research (but i did not researched it completely)

Same goes to T-62A and Tier 9 AMX 30: no compensation in blueprints and National Fragmenst.

 

Hope this will be fixed


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VK 30.01P nerfed to 45Kmh speed with NO armour increase!!!!  This is just crazy - ruins a versatile and fun medium for NO REASON.

 

KV1S at tier 6 is a JOKE....has less armour than the KV1 which stays at tier 5, no increase in gun power, and the extra HP is utterly pointless as it now sees tier 8!!!!!!!

 

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO  TECH TREE IS COMPLETE RUBBISH



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There is no need to change the VK 30.01 P! Why would you change one of the more competitive tanks in the German tech tree?! It's one of my favourite German medium tanks for a reason. And now you want to change it into a heavy just to make your techtree more "logical" I assume?

Since the VK 30.01 P follows the Pz IV H, I see no problem retaining it as a medium at tier VI. What's the harm in doing the medium to heavy switch one tier higher up? Especially since it's not the main heavy tank line in the German tech tree. It is already a  slightly heavier medium than the Pz IV H and as such it would be a perfect transition into the Tiger P. Wargaming - please don't!

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What about this? (source: TAP)

T67

  • Replaced the Wright Continental R-975C4 gasoline engine with the Wright Continental R-975C4 early gasoline engine (engine power: 380 hp)
  • Increased dispersion during movement of the suspension T49E1 suspension by 17%
  • Increased dispersion during movement of the suspension T49E2 suspension by 14%
  • Increased dispersion on hull traverse of the T49E1 suspension by 17%
  • Increased dispersion on hull traverse of the T49E2 suspension by 14%
  • Changed the aiming time of the 57 mm Gun M1 in the T49 turret from 1.7 to 1.9 s
  • Changed the aiming time of the 57 mm Gun M1 in the T67 turret from 1.7 to 1.9 s
  • Changed the aiming time of 3-inch AT Gun M7 in the T67 turret from 1.7 to 1.9 s
  • Changed the aiming time of 76 mm AT Gun M1A1 in the T67 turret from 1.7 to 1.9 s
  • Changed the ammo rack capacity of the 57 mm Gun M1 from 70 to 125 shells
  • Changed the ammo rack capacity of the 3-inch AT Gun M7 from 45 to 80 shells
  • Changed the ammo rack capacity of the 76 mm AT Gun M1A1 from 45 to 70 shells
  • Changed the reverse speed from 20 to 17 km / h
  • Decreased the repair cost by 23%
  • Decreased profitability by 8%
  • Changed the vehicle durability with the T49 turret from 340 to 445 HP
  • Changed the vehicle durability with the T67 turret from 360 to 470 HP

Edited by bbmoose, 27 March 2020 - 09:42 AM.


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View Postbbmoose, on 27 March 2020 - 09:41 AM, said:

What about this? (source: TAP)

T67
  • Replaced the Wright Continental R-975C4 gasoline engine with the Wright Continental R-975C4 early gasoline engine (engine power: 380 hp)
  • Increased dispersion during movement of the suspension T49E1 suspension by 17%
  • Increased dispersion during movement of the suspension T49E2 suspension by 14%
  • Increased dispersion on hull traverse of the T49E1 suspension by 17%
  • Increased dispersion on hull traverse of the T49E2 suspension by 14%
  • Changed the aiming time of the 57 mm Gun M1 in the T49 turret from 1.7 to 1.9 s
  • Changed the aiming time of the 57 mm Gun M1 in the T67 turret from 1.7 to 1.9 s
  • Changed the aiming time of 3-inch AT Gun M7 in the T67 turret from 1.7 to 1.9 s
  • Changed the aiming time of 76 mm AT Gun M1A1 in the T67 turret from 1.7 to 1.9 s
  • Changed the reverse speed from 20 to 17 km / h
  • Decreased profitability by 8%

... a substantial nerf to a stronk tank, it seems.



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View PostBeoger, on 27 March 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:

... a substantial nerf to a stronk tank, it seems.


Not that substantial really, it still keeps the DPM of doom. Compared to the Hellcat nerf some years ago this is nothing.







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