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Redeagle55 #1 Posted 20 March 2020 - 08:38 PM

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A game is supposed to make fun. But WG starts to patch prem OP tanks in it, which, although they generate money, are so OP, that they ruin the whole game for all players (not sitting in one of those OP monsters). A very good example is the defender, which is almost invulnerable even to higher Tiers. And if toptier is the game-decider, even in not so skillful hands. Just because almost no one can harm him, plus he really packs a punch. And is quite mobile.

I don't know who has fun playing against those tanks, i don't and therefor stopped it.

 

I am curious if its just me, a not so good player, or what the majority of the players think.



unhappy__bunny #2 Posted 20 March 2020 - 08:58 PM

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You have never seen me play my defender. Everything pens me. 

24doom24 #3 Posted 20 March 2020 - 09:16 PM

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View Postunhappy__bunny, on 20 March 2020 - 07:58 PM, said:

You have never seen me play my defender. Everything pens me. 

Same :(  I don't know how make it work. The turret actually has a lot of weak points. The mantlet is 250mm thick which means anything tier 8 and up can pen it with ease. And the gun handling can sometimes be completely against me. 



Balc0ra #4 Posted 20 March 2020 - 09:56 PM

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Higher tiers? Your E75 is tall enough to smack that roof or lower plate with ease. I can't say anyone of my tier 9's struggle vs it. My IS-6 on the other hand...

BravelyRanAway #5 Posted 20 March 2020 - 10:34 PM

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View PostRedeagle55, on 20 March 2020 - 07:38 PM, said:

A very good example is the defender, 

It has a huge lower plate that screams 'shoot me'!



psychobear #6 Posted 20 March 2020 - 11:23 PM

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Premium tanks are fine, if anything they should buff the older obsolete ones (Panther 88 anyone?).

What really breaks the gameplay is artillery and too much RNG.


Edited by psychobear, 20 March 2020 - 11:24 PM.


dandiaconescudirect #7 Posted 21 March 2020 - 12:08 AM

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View Postunhappy__bunny, on 20 March 2020 - 09:58 PM, said:

You have never seen me play my defender. Everything pens me. 

 

Doesn't mean that Defender is not OP, only that you suck in it.



BravelyRanAway #8 Posted 21 March 2020 - 12:28 AM

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View Postdandiaconescudirect, on 20 March 2020 - 11:08 PM, said:

 

Doesn't mean that Defender is not OP, only that you suck in it.

That's what he meant....like most tanks, it's player dependent.



Blubba #9 Posted 21 March 2020 - 10:16 AM

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I can live with the newer premiums. The older ones however are screaming out for some love. 

All the hours they put into creating some of these tanks and no one buys them/uses them as they are god awful. Just how many Type 59-Pattons do you see?

The Raumpanzer has just been put into the shop and people are complaining about it. The Type 59 Patton can only dream of that armour on the turret and that tiny cupola (because compared to the Types, that cupola is tiny).

I would normally buy a tank as a collector but I just can't justify the cash solely to look at them in the garage. I only bought the Patriot recently as I have some gold from Christmas (and it's not actually a bad tank).

CDC, Patton KR, Senlac, Panther 88 to name but a few. Only a few minor tweaks would move them up into the 'playable' zone.

 

Please WG, have a look at the existing garage you have and get tweaking!!

 



unhappy__bunny #10 Posted 21 March 2020 - 10:28 AM

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View Postdandiaconescudirect, on 20 March 2020 - 11:08 PM, said:

 

Doesn't mean that Defender is not OP, only that you suck in it.


Its true, I do. Thats why I now only play it in FL, and I avoid T9 & T10 like the plague. (Self-isolation or social distancing I think its called)



Vtsuk #11 Posted 21 March 2020 - 10:56 AM

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This is WoT, you fight with your wallet anyway, so they are fine and work as they were supposed to.

_Carpaccio_ #12 Posted 21 March 2020 - 12:55 PM

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Developement of WG policy about premium tanks is interesting. First you had premium tanks that were worse or on the same level as their tech tree counterparts, then came the dark ages starting with Scorpion G (? I think this was the first "OP" {OP for the time it was released} premium), then with Liberte, Patriot, Defender. And now for sometime it seems WG turned back and releasing balanced or even slightly underperforming premiums. About Defender. Anytime it appeared I refused to buy one, sorta like trying to boycott it. Then I bought it, when I was sold about month ago. 

 

It is OP without a doubt and its basically tier 8,5. But.. sometimes enemies load wn8 rounds and pen you everywhere (I don't blame them :teethhappy: ;) It will be interesting if they really reduce damage of "gold" rounds. I can usually deal with defender shooting its cupola if I cant pen lower plate, but there are many players who can go F themselves against defenders and cry in the corner. 

 

Main reason why I bought Defender was that there are still many tanks Id like to grind/buy, and sometimes I am like hobo in case of wot credits. And Defender.. Chimpanzee could play it decently in full tier8 or on top tier. When I need to grind credits but at the same time I dont want to as I am tired of grinding credits but I need them... Then I log my defender. It is also great for easy major/general on frontlines. 

 

 

PS: When there is TVP VTU in enemy team, dont even try. You could go drown or jump from cliff to save yourself some pain :trollface:

 

 



arthurwellsley #13 Posted 21 March 2020 - 01:22 PM

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View PostRedeagle55, on 20 March 2020 - 07:38 PM, said:

A game is supposed to make fun. But WG starts to patch prem OP tanks in it, which, although they generate money, are so OP, that they ruin the whole game for all players (not sitting in one of those OP monsters). A very good example is the defender, which is almost invulnerable even to higher Tiers. And if toptier is the game-decider, even in not so skillful hands. Just because almost no one can harm him, plus he really packs a punch. And is quite mobile.

I don't know who has fun playing against those tanks, i don't and therefor stopped it.

 

I am curious if its just me, a not so good player, or what the majority of the players think.


Lets take a look at tier VIII premium tanks; I will rank them Weak, Average, Strong, Completely OP. I have missed a few. Most of the recent ones are average at best

112 - strong

WZ 111 - Average

T34-3 - Average

Type 59 - Average

Type59/Paton - Weak

WZ-120-1G FT - Strong

CN light Blackdog - Average

Skoda T40 - Average

FCM 50 t - Weak

AMX M4 mle. 49 - Average

Somua SM - Average

AMX Chasseur de chars - Weak

AMX Canon d'assaut 105 - Strong

ELC EVEN 90 - Strong

Löwe - Strong

Mauerbrecher VK 168.01 (P) - Average

leKpz M 41 90 mm - Strong

HWK 30 - Average

Panther 8.8 - Weak

Panzer 58 Mutz - Weak (despite recent buffs)

8.8cm Pak 43 Jagdtiger - Weak

Kanonenjagdpanzer - Weak

Rheinmetall Skorpion G - Strong

Progetto M35 mod. 46 - Strong

STA-2 - Average

50TP prototyp - Strong

EMIL 51 - Average

Strv 81 - Average

Lansen C - Strong

Strv S1 - Strong

Caernarvon Action X- Strong

FV4202 - Weak

T34 - Weak

M6A2E1 - Average

Captured King Tiger - Average

Patriot T26E5 - Strong

Chrysler K -Strong

T92- Strong

T26E4 Super Pershing - Average

M46 Patton KR - Weak

T25 Pilot Number 1 - Weak

IS-6 - Average

KV-5 - Average

IS-3 auto - Strong

Object 252U/Defender - completely OP

LT-432 - Strong

T-54 first prototype - Strong

T-44-100 - Strong

Guard STG - Average

ISU-130 - Average

T-103 - Average

SU-130 - Strong

 

So in my list there is only one OP tank. There are a few that in the hands of a good player are extremely dangerous and can turn games among the "Strong" ones ie LT-432. But on the whole only one OP tank.

Recent additions like the Rumpanzer and 703 -II and VK are pretty rounded while the Senlac FV1066 is pure trash. The Bourrasque looks pretty well balanced as well, excellent in the hands of a very good player, will die early for the sub average players, so high skill ceiling.


Edited by arthurwellsley, 21 March 2020 - 01:23 PM.


_Carpaccio_ #14 Posted 21 March 2020 - 01:44 PM

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QB, Baboon, and Circon did this list of prem tanks rating them I believe. Maybe more players did I dunno. 

 

I dissagree with two tanks in your list, Duke of Wellington.

 

T34: I think its average and sometimes can be pretty good. Great standart pene and punch for 400 can hurt even tier X tanks, and hulldown is still great, at least most of the times. 

Mutz: I would not call it weak, but pretty average. Nothing great even after buffs, but not weak, in terms of single shot 240 alpha tier 8 mediums with bad DPM.



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 21 March 2020 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

...

Lorraine 40T

TS-5


Edited by FataL_ShadowZ, 21 March 2020 - 01:45 PM.


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View Postarthurwellsley, on 21 March 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

Lets take a look at tier VIII premium tanks; I will rank them Weak, Average, Strong, Completely OP. I have missed a few. Most of the recent ones are average at best

 

Captured King Tiger - Average

Captured King Tiger maybe an average tier 8 but it's quite good at Tier 7.  :)

 

+ EBR - Strong/broken?


Edited by CmdRatScabies, 21 March 2020 - 01:49 PM.


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View Post_Carpaccio_, on 21 March 2020 - 01:44 PM, said:

Mutz: I would not call it weak, but pretty average. Nothing great even after buffs, but not weak, in terms of single shot 240 alpha tier 8 mediums with bad DPM.

 

Yeah the Mutz is okay. It's not strong by any means, but it's not weak either. I got it from the BM sale and, to my surprise, it performs decently overall. 50% WR, ~2000WN8... completely average.

 

View Postarthurwellsley, on 21 March 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

IS-3 auto - Strong

 

Well I strongly disagree.

 

It's slow, the armor is as rubbish as the IS-3's, (front only, ofc the trollish side armor is still a thing) and the accuracy is abysmal. You'll regularly miss even at close range.

 

It is far below average. Way too overrated.


Edited by NekoPuffer_PPP, 21 March 2020 - 02:08 PM.


_Carpaccio_ #18 Posted 21 March 2020 - 02:16 PM

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Captured Tiger II is sometimes great, as you can finally reenact actuall WW2 Tiger II, bouncing shots and watching enemies struggle to pen you frontally - untill your transmission breaks. Put the tank one tier lower, and bad/average armor becomes godlike in good MM. Sometimes it depends - even in good MM you can get enemies in tanks like IS who know they can overmatch your turret roof, or somebody goes full gold and smash your 185 turret armor. And it also feels much more sluggish than Tier8 Tiger II. Now I only wish they made option to buy King Tiger © as standart premium so you could have it even if you cancelled twitch prime, and also that they made it multinational like with Rudy - so you would have KT© murican you can swap to KT german. 

 

Talking about premium tech tree tanks one tier lower, I cant wait for A43 Black Prince prototype. It is already in the game files as you can view it via tank comparison in the game, but still havent heard any news about it since the last post about it in 2019. 



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View Post_Carpaccio_, on 21 March 2020 - 02:16 PM, said:

Talking about premium tech tree tanks one tier lower, I cant wait for A43 Black Prince prototype. It is already in the game files as you can view it via tank comparison in the game, but still havent heard any news about it since the last post about it in 2019. 

 

That armor is way too strong for tier 6. It's like an O-I but smaller. It's the bounciest tank at tier 7, despite people calling it bad. Statistics don't lie. If the tier 7 had the 20-pdr, that would make it competitive. I remember talking about it in the past.

 

It's like a weird armor-at-tier-7-but-gun-at-tier-6 kind of tank. Putting it into tier 6 would just make it a gold magnet.



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Hull armor is the same as BP that is on level of churchill VII, and turret is 152 in the mid of gun mantle, next to the gun, but as I look at in on tanks. gg there are some areas that are 200/300 + armor. I was afraid that King Tiger on tier 7 would be OP, but I thinks its not that great, with black prince tier lower I again not sure how its gonna perform. BP is bouncy even today on sidescrape or hulldown, but frontal 152 hull armor is nothing great. Ive been defending BP many times myself. I personally think Id keep it 17 pdr, but greatly increase base pen and also increase DPM. Like Ive been doing OK with 17 pdr, only its pene is trash on T7. Maybe tier 6 BP gonna have OP armor, I am just biased as I like british infantry tanks very much.. 





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