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Poll: AMX 12t<3 (313 members have cast votes)

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Which tier should it be put with?

  1. Tier 10 and down? (8 votes [2.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.56%

  2. Tier 9 and down? (9 votes [2.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.88%

  3. Tier 8 and down? (112 votes [35.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.78%

  4. Tier 7 and down? (126 votes [40.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.26%

  5. Tier 6 and down? (58 votes [18.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.53%

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S0ny_B1ack #21 Posted 05 January 2012 - 07:50 PM

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I voted tier 8 and down, basically matching of a t5 med... Yes i would love to see max tier 7 with it, but other tanks which doesn't have much penetration either gets into t8 battles too (fo example the RAMII, which has about the same, or even a bit lower penetration than the AMX 12).
My personal preference would be: t8 OK you could get it, but you should get more often better matching than that, but occasionally you get into a t8 - what to do in those matches: either pick lower tanks as targets and get away from the t8, or engage the t8 only if they are busy with someone else (you can hurt them when you aim for weakspots), and when you get a t8 battle, there should be max 2 or 3 t8 tanks on either side.  :Smile_honoring:  This is just my personal opinion (t8 battles possible, but rare and with not to many t8 tanks - as i said similar to the matching i get with the RAMII)

I agree that current t9 is to much... as i said you can do some damage to t8, but t9 not really...

here is a screen where i felt useful even in a t8 battle (I shot the Tiger 2 in his side turret and the IS3 in his back armor)
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Orkel2 #22 Posted 05 January 2012 - 09:07 PM

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amx 12 = worse than lee

match in amx 12:

ding ding ding ding ding ding tier 9s

become useless from reloading

get oneshotted or engine destroyed + tank killed with 2nd shot

VK2801 has more health and more armor than this and a better gun + speed + mobility

why does the french T5 light have a pitiful 430 health, so it can be oneshotted by anything 122mm and above

Makikou #23 Posted 05 January 2012 - 09:43 PM

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http://dl.dropbox.co...28/shot_001.jpg

magnentius #24 Posted 05 January 2012 - 10:11 PM

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View PostMakikou, on 05 January 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

I have carried on with this tank tonight and think this must be a joke by the Devs, as match after match has been aginst tier 7 and tier8  but many tier 9.  This tank is totally outclassed and is too slow to be a scout in these matches as you get one shotted from the other side of the map.

magnentius #25 Posted 05 January 2012 - 10:11 PM

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View PostMakikou, on 05 January 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

I have carried on with this tank tonight and think this must be a joke by the Devs, as match after match has been aginst tier 7 and tier8  but many tier 9.  This tank is totally outclassed and is too slow to be a scout in these matches as you get one shotted from the other side of the map.

yopsolodes #26 Posted 05 January 2012 - 10:17 PM

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I have a really big problem with this tank. It's a very good tank (in my mind) but the matchmaking is a very big problem. There is always at least 3 tier 9.
So ok you can try to scout but it's really frustrated. I need to do  28000xp... i will do it but it's very...very long...

Arestoteles #27 Posted 05 January 2012 - 11:48 PM

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View Posthazzin, on 05 January 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

And what is it?
It's definitely a scout. I used to play with it on test server. Low profile, good speed. And it's cannon is very suitable for annihilating arty quickly.

no it really aint.

its bigger than t50 or vk2801

also it is not as agile. it's to easy to hit.

being a light tank doesnt necessarly make it a scout.

Deadway #28 Posted 05 January 2012 - 11:54 PM

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I'm so close to get it, I was shocked when I saw that he gets in matches with tier 9 :o

Arestoteles #29 Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:00 AM

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oh nearly forgot:

to finish of all doubts against him being not a scout:
max radio range is 410. with upgraded radio.

makes him kinda useless as a scout eh?


but i actually found a good role for him:

counter scout:

its quick enough to follow enemy scouts and good rate of fire helps stopping them

Hornet331 #30 Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:18 AM

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So they haven't changed the MM value of it and its still has the worse MM value then the AMX75.... pfahaha n1 wg. n1...

This tank cant be a scout.. look at the radio range? yup its lower then then the viewrange... http://forum.worldof...mile-hiding.gif
Whoever says this tank should be put in the same class as T50-2 or VK2801 or any of the other T5 scouts has no clue at all.... it shoud have gotten the same MM as the T5 mediums, period.. I said that more then once in the test forum... but as usual WG gives a damn about the user feedback...

PadyEos #31 Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:37 AM

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View PostHornet331, on 06 January 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

So they haven't changed the MM value of it and its still has the worse MM value then the AMX75.... pfahaha n1 wg. n1...

This tank cant be a scout.. look at the radio range? yup its lower then then the viewrange... http://forum.worldof...mile-hiding.gif
Whoever says this tank should be put in the same class as T50-2 or VK2801 or any of the other T5 scouts has no clue at all.... it shoud have gotten the same MM as the T5 mediums, period.. I said that more then once in the test forum... but as usual WG gives a damn about the user feedback...


LOL a derp VK2801 can 3 shot you from the front! and you can only bounce off it's frontal armor. Thr VK is a lot faster, more agile and a smaller target. The man is right: How can this be a scout with a radio range of 410m? You can's even fight other tanks since the top gun is about the same as the 7,5 cm KwK 40 L/48 on the VK, gun that no one uses because it's crap. The devs really failed on this one. Either put a better gun on it or make it more agile and increase the useless radio range.

SilentFighterUS #32 Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:03 AM

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Yeah, Frenchies are so unballanced right now. I just don´t understand how devs can´t see it... Some of their tanks have overpowered guns, especially penetration values and some tanks don´t have penetration on its best guns at all... Really strange  :blink:

Spahpanzer_Kommandant #33 Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:34 AM

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AMX 12t is a FUN and challenging tank.
I love to finish off tier9 tanks with it.
Pretty good camo value, put binocs and camo net on and go scouting.
  
The only depressing thing is the gun depression.

Hornet331 #34 Posted 06 January 2012 - 02:14 AM

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View PostSzlejer, on 06 January 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

AMX 12t is a FUN and challenging tank.
I love to finish off tier9 tanks with it.
Pretty good camo value, put binocs and camo net on and go scouting.
  
The only depressing thing is the gun depression.

wth are you talking about... E75 is impenetrable... IS4 is impenetrable... the only tanks you can penetrate are the VK45B and then you have to closer then 200m and hope hes not angled, else he also impenetrable... the only T9 you can penetrate is the T34... and we all know that tank is a joke...

brick128 #35 Posted 06 January 2012 - 03:19 AM

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As with all tier V lights its probably designated as a scout and gets thrown in high tier battles a lot. Hence the good gun on it(pen and dam).

Gun depression destroys this tank. Often you have to leave cover to get a shot off.

PadyEos #36 Posted 06 January 2012 - 05:28 AM

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View PostSzlejer, on 06 January 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

AMX 12t is a FUN and challenging tank.
I love to finish off tier9 tanks with it.
Pretty good camo value, put binocs and camo net on and go scouting.
  
The only depressing thing is the gun depression.


What are you smoking? Go scouting? With 410 m radio range? YOU CAN"T EVEN PASS THE HALF WAY POINT OF THE MAP! Finish off tier 9's? OMG. You are basically armed with the crappy PZ4 gun. You bounce off the R2D2 turret of a KV-5. IMPENETRABLE.

tarellond #37 Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:36 AM

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This tank is a NIGHTMARE!
Revolver reload is a plus, but not a big one - the tank is very fragile and to fire six shells in your magazine you need roughly 20seconds. But if you dont hide immediately after shooting you are dead ... So its a good thing, for flanking and arty harassing. For nothing else.
Cons: gun un-depression (what is the angle exactly, 3 or 4 degrees? US heavy players, play this tank and then complain about your tanks depression.), paper armour, matchmaking against T9 heavies (funny since i can't penetrate T7 from back reliably, and i am a one shot issue for them). 29k xp for next tank - how the hell am i supposed to achieve that?

The thing is, this is not a scout. It is not some scouting blind tank tree branch with specific tanks to play with. This branch leads to medium tanks, and as for me it should be treated as such. T7 tanks and below is a must.

Aqnde #38 Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:54 AM

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As an added bonus every shot that doesn't immediately blow you up sets you on fire   :Smile-playing:

Atm I'm just using AMX 12t as a dedicated scout. And it does that job a lot better than VK2801.

hetismij #39 Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:22 AM

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View PostSzlejer, on 06 January 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

AMX 12t is a FUN and challenging tank.
I love to finish off tier9 tanks with it.
Pretty good camo value, put binocs and camo net on and go scouting.
  
The only depressing thing is the gun depression.


The lack of vertical movement of the gun makes it BY FAR the most frustrating tank in this game for me. It's worse than the M3 Lee in that respect.

IOn a map with some hills, you are lost. Unfortunately, all maps have hills.

Dynalon #40 Posted 06 January 2012 - 11:01 AM

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This is worst tier 5 medium (light since french tier 5 medium doesnt exist). T-34 has similar gun, it reloads even faster (1.91s on full) but it doesnt have to reload 15s after 6 shots. M4 has strong gun and bounces a lot, pz III/IV and pz IV have decent armor, one has speed, the other firepower. This thing doesnt have anything, its made of paper and its constantly in tier 9 battles while its counterpatrs are usually in tier 7 max (rarely tier 8).




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