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PanijelBrekvest #1 Posted 23 March 2020 - 05:52 PM

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Hello, i am Danijel,
I really do not know where to put this topic, but, there are some tanks that are completely forgotten with the current meta in the game.
It breaks my hearth that I have reserved 4 female crew members for WZ-120, and I have not played it since it is so much worse than every other medium in its tier, even worse than some tier 8 tanks...
Please WG pay attention to old tanks that are getting forgotten, they really need some love!
Peace and love from Serbia!


_SpartanWarrior_ #2 Posted 23 March 2020 - 08:52 PM

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Honestly, I do not think WZ-120 is really forgotten.

1. Fine Mobility

2. Whatever gun handling (Its a 122mm/130mm anyway)

3.High DPM (as i mentioned, 122mm or 130mm,not sure)

4. Good turret armor



murn123 #3 Posted 24 March 2020 - 10:06 AM

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Yeah chinese medium tank line is fubar. t-34-1 is the only tank in tat line that is actually good. t-34-2 is worst medium tank tier for tier. wz-120 suffers from low depression and terrible gun handling and 121 is completely outclassed by 430u. Wargaming needs to buff the whole line and they even acknowledge it, which means they will probably buff it 3 ears from now. 

PanijelBrekvest #4 Posted 24 March 2020 - 02:36 PM

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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 23 March 2020 - 07:52 PM, said:

Honestly, I do not think WZ-120 is really forgotten.

1. Fine Mobility

2. Whatever gun handling (Its a 122mm/130mm anyway)

3.High DPM (as i mentioned, 122mm or 130mm,not sure)

4. Good turret armor

 

13:38 Added after 2 minute
Not here to argue, but can you tell me if there is worse tank in game right now at tier 9, and the tier 8 is just awful, i would rather plat the T34-1 vs tier 9 than T34-2 vs tier 9, honestly, it is a disasterous line... Not bad till you reach tier 8...

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T-34-1 and T-34-2 are really awful,but man you need to understand

WZ-120 is NOT FORGOTTEN

I would rather pay more attention to Super Pershing than WZ-120

Also tell me about B-C 25t AP?

AMX 30er ?

M46 Patton?

T54E1 (Literally worst T9 Medium)

EDIT: I do not want to start a fight here,but when you reach around 40k battles you will see what I am talking about.

Judging by your tank list,you made it to 1 Tier X having only 4 tier IX, you did not even play the WZ-120

So when you get to much more battles than your 15k,you will really see what medium is currently worst at T9.

You did not play WZ-120, did not suffer (thanks god) with T54E1, did not play M46,did not play 30er...

And again,you say that the tank is bad,but you did not even play it.That is a really stupid move let me tell you.

Maybe WZ-120 is bad when stock,but when maximum upgraded with good crew it can really be a machine.


Edited by _SpartanWarrior_, 24 March 2020 - 06:44 PM.


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View Postmurn123, on 24 March 2020 - 03:06 AM, said:

Yeah chinese medium tank line is fubar. t-34-1 is the only tank in tat line that is actually good. t-34-2 is worst medium tank tier for tier. wz-120 suffers from low depression and terrible gun handling and 121 is completely outclassed by 430u. Wargaming needs to buff the whole line and they even acknowledge it, which means they will probably buff it 3 ears from now. 

Also i forgot about you.

T-34-2 is worst T8 Medium in the game, I agree.

T-34-1 is NOT the best tank in the line. Yes,I know everyone have their opinions BUT!

"WZ-120 suffers from low depression" Well let me tell you man,its a oscillating turret,what do you want? Nearly nobody can penetrate its turret from long ranges (especially if the shooter is not that accurate) because they have to hit the turret hatch,which is small. WZ-120's turret has around 250mm Armor because its oscillating,of course it will have low depression.

Gun Handling,yeah,it is not that good,but its a 122mm Gun with 440 Alpha Damage. 340mm Penetration with HEAT. I think that 250mm Oscillating turret+440 alpha+340mm Pen+Good accuracy would be kinda.. unbalanced (OP)

Aiming Time could be buffed though,maximum to be 2.6s , 3.1s is just too much. About 121,the tank is outclassed by 430U because 430U is Russian OP Bias and everyone knows that.



PanijelBrekvest #7 Posted 25 March 2020 - 10:24 AM

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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 24 March 2020 - 05:37 PM, said:

T-34-1 and T-34-2 are really awful,but man you need to understand

WZ-120 is NOT FORGOTTEN

I would rather pay more attention to Super Pershing than WZ-120

Also tell me about B-C 25t AP?

AMX 30er ?

M46 Patton?

T54E1 (Literally worst T9 Medium)

EDIT: I do not want to start a fight here,but when you reach around 40k battles you will see what I am talking about.

Judging by your tank list,you made it to 1 Tier X having only 4 tier IX, you did not even play the WZ-120

So when you get to much more battles than your 15k,you will really see what medium is currently worst at T9.

You did not play WZ-120, did not suffer (thanks god) with T54E1, did not play M46,did not play 30er...

And again,you say that the tank is bad,but you did not even play it.That is a really stupid move let me tell you.

Maybe WZ-120 is bad when stock,but when maximum upgraded with good crew it can really be a machine.

Well there is a reason why I did not play that tank, it is because, it is, in my opinion, and I am not the only one, behind the bunch, I have played, on CT with most of the tanks, and that is how i base my future progress on the tech tree, AMX 30 worked very well for me, as well as tier 9 Patton, I agree that T54E1 is lackluster, but it is as I am informed going to be changed in the future to a heavy tank, so they are working on it, now that you have Russian OBJ at tier 9 it just does makes no sense to play the WZ cause it used to be different from the rest with its 120mm gun, now it needs some change, I am not saying it needs to be OP it just needs to be different enough so you can to some things that freaking Russian cant, I hope you are getting what I am saying... I try to inform myself by playing on test server with tanks I do not have and that is why I am saying that WZ is far behind... I am currently researching AMX30 and the BC...

I hope you get what I am saying, as I said this is a place to try and make conversation, not argue.. Just saing that some tanks need love.

PS next tanks that are getting reworked are IS-4 (ofc, it needs change),M103 and T110E5, all the E100 line also fine by me, KV3, KV4 and STI, in my opinion the latter ar fine as they are now....

PS PS as I can see you did not play with WZ120 yourself  so your argument is not valid...

 

 


Edited by PanijelBrekvest, 25 March 2020 - 07:47 PM.


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View PostPanijelBrekvest, on 25 March 2020 - 03:24 AM, said:

Well there is a reason why I did not play that tank, it is because, it is, in my opinion, and I am not the only one, behind the bunch, I have played, on CT with most of the tanks, and that is how i base my future progress on the tech tree, AMX 30 worked very well for me, as well as tier 9 Patton, I agree that T54E1 is lackluster, but it is as I am informed going to be changed in the future to a heavy tank, so they are working on it, now that you have Russian OBJ at tier 9 it just does makes no sense to play the WZ cause it used to be different from the rest with its 120mm gun, now it needs some change, I am not saying it needs to be OP it just needs to be different enough so you can to some things that freaking Russian cant, I hope you are getting what I am saying... I try to inform myself by playing on test server with tanks I do not have and that is why I am saying that WZ is far behind... I am currently researching AMX30 and the BC...

I hope you get what I am saying, as I said this is a place to try and make conversation, not argue.. Just saing that some tanks need love.

PS next tanks that are getting reworked are IS-4 (ofc, it needs change),M103 and T110E5, all the E100 line also fine by me, KV3, KV4 and STI, in my opinion the latter ar fine as they are now....

PS PS as I can see you did not play with WZ120 yourself  so your argument is not valid...

 

 

This is just TL;DR bs.

1. For my near-40k battles i saw WZ120's battle performance in battles+Common Test (CT means nothing,will explain further below)

2. Common Test is not adequate for so-much testing vehicles because; Players can buy gold ammo as much they want, they can MAX OUT crew,put Bond Equipment...

WZ120 is PERFECTLY BALANCED for the meta.

I played T54E1,AMX30,BC 25AP... I know what im talking about.

T-34-1 and -2 not. You will see what im saying when you come to 40k battles. Right now,you don't have an idea what you are talking about.

git gud



PanijelBrekvest #9 Posted 26 March 2020 - 12:29 AM

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Ok man, as I said I am not here to argue so you can belive whatever you want, just as I can, in my opinion WZ120 just is not cut out for current meta and it is ok that you dont agree...

We cant all agree...



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View PostPanijelBrekvest, on 25 March 2020 - 05:29 PM, said:

Ok man, as I said I am not here to argue so you can belive whatever you want, just as I can, in my opinion WZ120 just is not cut out for current meta and it is ok that you dont agree...

We cant all agree...

ok samo nauci da igras :)



PanijelBrekvest #11 Posted 26 March 2020 - 12:38 AM

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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 25 March 2020 - 11:33 PM, said:

ok samo nauci da igras :)

druze ako ti je tesko da citas post nemoj ni da pametujes dalje molim te

 



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WZ-120 is my best winrate tier 9 tank,

also I had quite good results in T-34-1 and -2

 

(but then I had Type 59 for crew training)



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View PostPanijelBrekvest, on 25 March 2020 - 05:38 PM, said:

druze ako ti je tesko da citas post nemoj ni da pametujes dalje molim te

 

lol ok strasni

View PostPansenmann, on 25 March 2020 - 05:41 PM, said:

WZ-120 is my best winrate tier 9 tank,

also I had quite good results in T-34-1 and -2

 

(but then I had Type 59 for crew training)

everyone has their opinion,yes,i agree,but WZ-120 is not really that bad






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