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getmeajobinoz #1 Posted 23 March 2020 - 11:54 PM

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It is completely destroying gameplay for tier 10. Overpowered even more than the predecessor of Grille 15 was.

EBR-105 takes away balance from the game completely. Make its repair to 200K or something, better nerf that you did with other, much less overpowered vehicle/



Balc0ra #2 Posted 23 March 2020 - 11:59 PM

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Your 3rd most played tank has been asked removed for almost a decade. I would not hope for much with regards to this either.

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Dont worry man there are no EBRs at tier 5

tajj7 #4 Posted 24 March 2020 - 12:18 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 23 March 2020 - 10:59 PM, said:

Your 3rd most played tank has been asked removed for almost a decade. I would not hope for much with regards to this either.

 

Not only is his 3rd most played tank the Obj. 261, which in itself makes it funny he talks about 'ruining gameplay', when he has clicked at tier 10 for 1000s of battles ruining gameplay in plenty of people's eyes, but not only that, his other tier 10s, in some cases he has sub 40% WRs, he's played over 140 battles in the AMX-30B and only manages 666 damage a game, so is one of those people who play tier 10 and have no clue what they are doing, which also 'ruins gameplay' in many people's opinions.

 

I think having a Super Conqueror on my team, that does just two shots of damage on average and a has a 30% WR is going to 'ruin gameplay' for around 14 per game, every time he plays it. 



Cobra6 #5 Posted 24 March 2020 - 08:29 AM

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A paper tank that you can damage quite easily if you hit it correctly, can never be overpowered.

 

I suggest improving your aim to ensure you can dispatch of them when they start bothering you.

 

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shikaka9 #6 Posted 24 March 2020 - 08:40 AM

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once you learn to shoot them ... it wont be scarry anymore :)  if learning to hard shoot gold at them :teethhappy: there is always a way

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8126Jakobsson #7 Posted 24 March 2020 - 08:57 AM

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Well it is a pretty damn dumb vehicle to be honest. And it is redefining the game so in some way it is game breaking, or "ruining gameplay" if you will. The game as it was.

As for nerfs I'd give it a normal HE shell and settle with that. That doesn't affect its main feature of being able to expose positions and get away with it in the most silly manner.   



ZDN #8 Posted 24 March 2020 - 09:09 AM

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LTP! STOP CRY!

 

Serios black wn8 people must hold on coments about nerf/buff ok.

 

Only good players can play it good,the rest 90% will die fast or dont spot the enemys or not do dmg,so minus one team member.This is paper tank,no view range,plus huge reload time and bad pen so you cant say it is op,it is a spoter.Good and accurate tanks will hit the ebr all the time,take a k91 super fast apcr just aim on the tank and it is instant dmg.


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splash_time #9 Posted 24 March 2020 - 09:20 AM

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Hm, it's not OP, broken, but it's just annoying. Because sometimes even if u aim perfectly, RNG will gift you crap shots, which makes you miss anyway. 

I had many times where I perfectly pre-aim with my 183B  and the shells just go through the tank like of it's a ghost! :D

 

But honestly? It can be OP indeed in some players hands, they can carry a whole game with that speed, gun handing and camo rating.


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I will give you replay to show me and a sheridan hard carry 9 kills in team.But the enemy was low iq,serios pilsen city map and 2 lights did shh load of dmg and kills .

 

The maps are small and the team ballance is red vs green/blue players.Even if all the good players play bad it is still a win.

 

This ebr is not op,just the speed makes old pc not to keep up to the high fps/starts to lag and players say i cant hit the ebr,or the fact that some tanks have slow and bad aim/dispersion and again you need the aim far ahead of them and that takes skill.


Edited by ZDN, 24 March 2020 - 09:40 AM.


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View PostZDN, on 24 March 2020 - 09:09 AM, said:

LTP! STOP CRY!

 

Serios black wn8 people must hold on coments about nerf/buff ok.

 

Only good players can play it good,the rest 90% will die fast or dont spot the enemys or not do dmg,so minus one team member.This is paper tank,no view range,plus huge reload time and bad pen so you cant say it is op,it is a spoter.Good and accurate tanks will hit the ebr all the time,take a k91 super fast apcr just aim on the tank and it is instant dmg.

Not sure if serious.



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View PostZDN, on 24 March 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

I will give you replay to show me and a sheridan hard carry 9 kills in team.But the enemy was low iq,serios pilsen city map and 2 lights did shh load of dmg and kills .

 

The maps are small and the team ballance is red vs green/blue players.Even if all the good players play bad it is still a win.

 

This ebr is not op,just the speed makes old pc not to keep up to the high fps/starts to lag and players say i cant hit the ebr,or the fact that some tanks have slow and bad aim/dispersion and again you need the aim far ahead of them and that takes skill.

 

Yes indeed, as I did cover it, players are important, tanks on their own are nothing to be afraid of. 

 

Sometimes you do hit, but RNG leads your shell towards the Stalinum wheels. 



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It sure is a high skill cap vehicle, but claiming only unicums do well in it is nonsense.

An EBR 105 that knows when to rush and when to stay back can be a nightmare and a gamechanger, and it does not need to get monstergame levels of damage to be effective either since its viewrange can be boosted to beyond 445, so little trouble spotting as well.


IMHO, this vehicle is not OP in that as said, it has a high skill cap, but it's exceptionally annoying to deal with (more than the other armored cars) and most of all, it makes every other light tank kind of useless.

It won't be removed, but it could definitely use some sort of nerf.
 



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View PostCobra6, on 24 March 2020 - 09:29 AM, said:

A paper tank that you can damage quite easily if you hit it correctly, can never be overpowered.

 

I suggest improving your aim to ensure you can dispatch of them when they start bothering you.

 

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Not exactly true, since wheels absorb full damage. Also hitting 'correctly' is sometimes quite hard since server seems to have problem handling the speed of EBR (or combination of server and network latency). This shows that on your screen EBR is ahead, on your screen you missed the shot but it counts as a hit. And of course also other way around that sometimes perfect hits doesn't count as a hit. 



TankkiPoju #15 Posted 24 March 2020 - 10:03 AM

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EBR 105

 

Done, alright man this problem should be solved now.



barison1 #16 Posted 24 March 2020 - 10:08 AM

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wouldnt say its OP, just stupidly broken and needing some rebalances. which could be in way off less (turning) speed/lower HE pen/less camo etc while buffing other aspects like standard pen and such

Cobra6 #17 Posted 24 March 2020 - 10:27 AM

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View Posttrispect, on 24 March 2020 - 09:01 AM, said:

 

Not exactly true, since wheels absorb full damage. Also hitting 'correctly' is sometimes quite hard since server seems to have problem handling the speed of EBR (or combination of server and network latency). This shows that on your screen EBR is ahead, on your screen you missed the shot but it counts as a hit. And of course also other way around that sometimes perfect hits doesn't count as a hit. 

 

Well, the wheel surface is much bigger then the actual surface of the hull behind it, so large parts of the wheels are literally 0 armor.

Don't get me wrong, I get a lot of crits on them as well but at the end of the day it's really just bad aiming as when you hit them correctly, you will always pen.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 24 March 2020 - 11:27 AM, said:

 

Well, the wheel surface is much bigger then the actual surface of the hull behind it, so large parts of the wheels are literally 0 armor.

Don't get me wrong, I get a lot of crits on them as well but at the end of the day it's really just bad aiming as when you hit them correctly, you will always pen.

 

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"IF you hit them".  



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View Posttrispect, on 24 March 2020 - 09:36 AM, said:

 

"IF you hit them".  

 

Very true, it just takes practice. Even if your game is plagued by a little latency, when you shoot and lead enough you'll get used to it eventually and your brain will compensate. Most people don't play enough matches for that though.

 

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View Postbarison1, on 24 March 2020 - 10:08 AM, said:

wouldnt say its OP, just stupidly broken and needing some rebalances


Broken might be the same as OP - it's still a toxic vehicle that has a detrimental effect in every match it appears, and thus needs to be looked at.

As for what could be nerfed, one measure could be - if an armored car loses one wheel, speed is halved (both in rapid mode and cruising mode); if two or more are lost, the car stops entirely.

tl;dr - they are difficult to hit, so make it painful when they get hit.






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