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mjs_89 #1 Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:36 AM

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This article just popped up on TAP:

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2020/03/24/new-balance-the-next-steps/

 

tl;dr version:

 

Tests for Crew 2.0 and Equipment 2.0 will come in the summer

Ranked Battles return with a new reward tank (Tier 9)

10th Anniversary Celebrations will start in April and last for the rest of the year

Tank lines that will be rebalanced: E100, IS-4, T110E5

 

Update: Official Article is out

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/features-2020/

 

Update: 27.03. Q&A

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2020/03/27/wot-qa-27th-march-2020/


Edited by mjs_89, 27 March 2020 - 10:30 PM.


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View Postmjs_89, on 24 March 2020 - 11:36 PM, said:

Tank lines that will be rebalanced: E100, IS-4, T110E5

 

Just complementing this:

 

E100's line from VK 36.01 H onward.

IS-4's line from KV-3 onward.

T110E5's line from T32 onward.



bbmoose #3 Posted 25 March 2020 - 08:20 AM

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I hope they will downtier the VK36.01, Tiger I and Tiger II. It's the only way to make them anything good. The premium versions of those tanks on tier 6 and 7 are enjoyable. Not anything OP though. 

 

The T110E5 line also needs some love. The T32 needs the same pen values as the Patriot and the T110E5 needs that cupola buffed. I don't really know what's wrong with the M103, except that it's stupidly big, but you can't change that. Maybe give it more reverse speed to make it a more effective snapshotter.

 

Reworking the crew is just another thing that doesn't need to be fixed, just like the techtree. Nobody has ever asked for it.



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Looks like shell rebalancing has gone away for a while then, as they said they were waiting for that change to do the balancing of heavies, but are now going ahead with E100 and IS4 again. 

 

WV nerf in there as well, so the whinging has won out, slowing them down more or stopping them when they are hit is basically going to stop them being able to active scout, which will in turn basically make people use them as mobile snipers, I am sure the teams will be happy with that when it happens. 

 

View Postbbmoose, on 25 March 2020 - 07:20 AM, said:

Reworking the crew is just another thing that doesn't need to be fixed, just like the techtree. Nobody has ever asked for it.

 

I did and I am pretty sure plenty of others have, both crew skills and equipment really leave no options for players, there is basically 4 bits of equipment everyone uses and the same crew skills over and over. No variety or ability to build different set ups for different playstyles because the other options are just not very good. 



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View Postbbmoose, on 25 March 2020 - 07:20 AM, said:

I hope they will downtier the VK36.01, Tiger I and Tiger II. It's the only way to make them anything good. 

Of course they won't downtier them - they are going to revamp the tech trees in 1.9, they aren't going to mess around with them again a couple of months later by downtiering a bunch of tanks!



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View Posttajj7, on 25 March 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

 No variety or ability to build different set ups for different playstyles because the other options are just not very good. 

 

This is entirely true. But there only are a few characteristics that you WANT to boost on a tank, like DPM, accuracy, gunhandling, viewrange, repairs, camo. It's not that they will give you more options, it will only be more noob friendly I guess... Just like the techtree.

 

I hope they will make sixth sense stock on every commander.

 

And about wheelies: they should make the physics on them more realistic. How they can turn now is just crazy. And that auto-aim feature is questionable, as well as the shooting on the move.



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View Postbbmoose, on 25 March 2020 - 08:20 AM, said:

 I don't really know what's wrong with the M103, except that it's stupidly big, but you can't change that. Maybe give it more reverse speed to make it a more effective snapshotter

lol did you ever check armor model of m103? its turret cupola is also one of the biggest weakpoints in the game you can even pen it with tier 7 guns and can also hit from long ranges easly. m103 is one of the tank that cant even use its turret for richlines because of that big weak upper turret armor that gets overmatched by literally 115mm and higher calibers as well as bad angles upper turret armor that is like around 160mm..... lmao u can even pen with tier 7 tanks. Whenever i see M103 going against me i hit upper turret armor its super easy. just compare conqueror turret design with m103 you gonna regret saying "whats wrong with m103" for sure.



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nah, everything will (should?) be postponed ...

 

how can you celebrate anything these days (this year)?


Edited by shikaka9, 25 March 2020 - 09:28 AM.


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Finally, good news are arriving. 

From what we seen in the changes of STB-1 and Leo 1, i guess these three HTs will become meta tanks, just like how Kranvagn become a good brawler. :)


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Lets gamble here, and see what is the most useless thing they can do to those lines before they post the changes.

Germans, all tanks get a slight DPM boost, lets say 2%, E100 get faster vehicle turn rate, E75 gets ears buffed from 80 to 85.

Muricans, T32 gets upper plate buffed by 30 armor, M103 and E5 get speed up by 5 km/h.

IS-4 and other in that line, get impenetrable turrets, laser guided aim, no bloom at all on anything and dpm increase of 60%. 


Edited by Flicka, 25 March 2020 - 09:33 AM.


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View Postshikaka9, on 25 March 2020 - 09:27 AM, said:

nah, everything will (should?) be postponed ...

 

how can you celebrate anything these days (this year)?

If people are sitting at home anyway, it seems like a perfect time to celebrate something in a computer game.



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View Posttajj7, on 25 March 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

Looks like shell rebalancing has gone away for a while then, as they said they were waiting for that change to do the balancing of heavies, but are now going ahead with E100 and IS4 again.

 

Maybe at last they realised the core of the game is as good as it is going to get and all that is needed is balancing of individual tanks.

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Looks to me that crew 2.0 / equipment 2.0 will go the same way as shell rebalancing.

 

They will show it off on sandbox, get massive negative response, scrap it and instead make minor changes to the existing system just like we have been asking for.



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View Postbbmoose, on 25 March 2020 - 08:20 AM, said:

I hope they will downtier the VK36.01, Tiger I and Tiger II. It's the only way to make them anything good. The premium versions of those tanks on tier 6 and 7 are enjoyable. Not anything OP though. 

 

The T110E5 line also needs some love. The T32 needs the same pen values as the Patriot and the T110E5 needs that cupola buffed. I don't really know what's wrong with the M103, except that it's stupidly big, but you can't change that. Maybe give it more reverse speed to make it a more effective snapshotter.

 

Reworking the crew is just another thing that doesn't need to be fixed, just like the techtree. Nobody has ever asked for it.


those tanks are fine

 



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And again, no gold ammo nerf...

 

It would be nice that equipment get some changes, I agree with the post above about using the same couple of pieces over and over again(though I've used improved suspension couple of days ago after God knows how many years :)).

 

Tiger I is fine imo, Tiger II and tanks above in that line could use some buffs. T32 penetration is impossible bad, I never wanted to move from T29 onward just because of that fact.

 

 



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View Postsplash_time, on 25 March 2020 - 09:31 AM, said:

Finally, good news are arriving. 

From what we seen in the changes of STB-1 and Leo 1, i guess these three HTs will become meta tanks, just like how Kranvagn become a good brawler. :)

 

Why is everybody so excited to play Kranvagn ? I don't see it as a good tank. I preffer T57 Heavy all day long, way better as a brawler than Kranvagn that u just use gold and pen him or the worst - the HE shells that make the turret useless, also it is auto pen for artys. Every arty that shot me did around 700 - 900 dmg when direct hit. Also the tank is a hibryd of medium and heavy but is neither one of them. It is lighter than alot of mediums, but slower tham almost all of them. Penetration is kinda bad for the pretty akward gun handling.


T57 Heavy on the other hand is amazing by it's DPM, I feel it is way more usefull to have 4 shells than 3, the armor is more usefull even if it has worse turret, it is more trollish, it has points of auto richoshet even from Jpz E100's HEAT . Also even if it has bad gun handling atleast it has good penetration from both type of shells. I also can sidescrape with T57 heavy, Kran gets penned by everything in the sides.



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View PostFlicka, on 25 March 2020 - 09:32 AM, said:

Lets gamble here, and see what is the most useless thing they can do to those lines before they post the changes.

Germans, all tanks get a slight DPM boost, lets say 2%, E100 get faster vehicle turn rate, E75 gets ears buffed from 80 to 85.

Muricans, T32 gets upper plate buffed by 30 armor, M103 and E5 get speed up by 5 km/h.

IS-4 and other in that line, get impenetrable turrets, laser guided aim, no bloom at all on anything and dpm increase of 60%. 

 

Because E100 is simply E100 but IS-4 is "legendary" comrades.



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View PostSpurtung, on 25 March 2020 - 01:52 AM, said:

Just complementing this:

 

E100's line from VK 36.01 H onward.

IS-4's line from KV-3 onward.

T110E5's line from T32 onward.

 

Finally!



murn123 #18 Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:54 PM

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I will believe it when i see it. Too many times has wargaming said they will do this that and the other and then a year passes and it is like they forgot. They said they will buff chinese medium line 121, wz-120 and especially t-34-2, which is the worst tier 8 tank in the game. How long will we have to wait for that one i wonder ?? another 2 years. Consider wz-120, the way to buff that tank is to give it 5 degrees of gun depression, 2.7 second aim time, turret traverse soft stat from 0.15 to 0.12 and voila the tank is playable again. Simple changes of 3 numbers wargaming can make in 5 seconds. Why does it take them so long to buff tanks i will never understand. I really want to know the clusterf of work environment that is wargaming development. In no other game do you have to wait 5 years or more for them to buff a character or a gun or whatever. I mean t110e5 is the way it is because they nerfed it to the ground like complete idiots. All they had to do was nerf that lower plate which was regularly bouncing shells from 250 mm penetration capable guns. the tank went from the most playable tier 10 to least playable in a day and they thought they have done a good job. What mindless drones are in their managment ?? How do you honestly look at the results of your actions and think "yeah that is good that is what i wanted, for a tier 10 tank to basically not exist in the meta". What wargaming really needs is to fire up the game and enjoy the fruits of their own labour. That is the real crux of the issue. I bet 95% of wargaming staff have never even installed the game, much less played it.

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 25 March 2020 - 12:49 PM, said:

 

Finally!

 

Yeah, let's wait to celebrate anything. As in will they make the Tiger II a brawler or a support heavy with more DPM and side armor. And will they even touch the E5 cupola at all? I doubt as much as they did last time, but you know what I mean.

 

As for the crew etc? Again, we knew it was coming. But not what kind of direction they go with it. Or even how 5+ skilled crew tanks with 6 members will be compensated if they go for a WOWS style setup.

 

 



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View Post1LH4N, on 25 March 2020 - 08:21 AM, said:

lol did you ever check armor model of m103? its turret cupola is also one of the biggest weakpoints in the game you can even pen it with tier 7 guns and can also hit from long ranges easly. m103 is one of the tank that cant even use its turret for richlines because of that big weak upper turret armor that gets overmatched by literally 115mm and higher calibers as well as bad angles upper turret armor that is like around 160mm..... lmao u can even pen with tier 7 tanks. Whenever i see M103 going against me i hit upper turret armor its super easy. just compare conqueror turret design with m103 you gonna regret saying "whats wrong with m103" for sure.

 

Boosting all armor is not always a good idea, that's what made the meta like it is now. The weak cupola is not as big as on the T110E5, so that may stay as a weakpoint. The 'forehead' is indeed too weak (looking at tanks.gg, it's like 188 mm) and the roof (38 mm) shouldn't be an overmatch for Russian 122 mm guns. 

 

If you allow the M103 to be a good snapshotter, you will not have to expose yourself to long staying still, so hitting those weakpoints will be hard. I would love to see -10 gundepression on the M103 and T110E5 tough.

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View PostSo_So_English, on 25 March 2020 - 09:34 AM, said:


those tanks are fine

 

 

No, they really aren't. The armor on the Tigers is way to weak for the lack of mobility they have. They are really limited vehicles. 

 

As for the Americans: the T32 has a useless tier 7 gun and the T110E5 is way to weak because of the cupola.






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