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Axeltoft #1 Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:13 PM

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Are wg really planing to change the t54e1 into a heavy tank without changeing any of it's armor!?

This is the only changes I can find. So they plan to make it slower and give it 100 more hp and a little more pen and then call it a ht?

 

Changed the vehicle type from Medium to Heavy tank

  • Changed the traverse speed of the T54E1 suspension from 44 to 38
  • Changed the traverse speed of the T54E1M2 suspension from 46 to 40
  • Decreased dispersion on turret traverse for the 105 mm Gun T140E2 in the T157 turret by 29%
  • Changed the penetration value of the HVAPDS-T T279 shell for the 105 mm Gun T140E2 from 255 to 310 mm
  • Changed the penetration value of the AP-T T182E1 shell for the 105 mm Gun T140E2 from 210 to 248 mm
  • Changed the top speed from 43.5 to 35 km/h
  • Decreased the repair cost by 6%
  • Increased profitability by 7%
  • Changed the vehicle durability with the T157 turret from 1,750 to 1,850 HP

Edited by Axeltoft, 26 March 2020 - 10:14 PM.


Balc0ra #2 Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:34 PM

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Just because it's a HT, don't mean it's a brawler or a frontline tank, not with that reload anyway. It looks to keep the support role like the 50 120 etc, as the turret is already a bit of a troll. Pen will help out with that role. But like the 3601 etc back in the day. I suspect you will notice the role change on the mobility more than anything.

Edited by Balc0ra, 26 March 2020 - 10:35 PM.


Axeltoft #3 Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:43 PM

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That will just make it a even less played tank. Because of the other support tanks there are, like the 50 120 you mentioned. As I recall he has a speed like 60. So its almost dobbelt as fast. Almost All the new hts is also faster.
So why would ppl even play this tank. The other ht autoloaders are faster, has more armor and more pen.
Oh well, maybe its even dumb im talking about this. I just feel sad for the tank, nobody is playing it now. And with this Big nerf imo, nobody will even play it for fun.

Search_Warrant #4 Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:46 PM

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So..no armor increase? i mean its not known for anything but the nice clip potential but the gun was terrible all around. nerfing the speed wont do much, kinda needed the speed due to the massive size and zero armor.

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This tank will be the Free-XP spending to skip it.

It already had Not-so-Good mobility,and its gun was AWFUL

Now again nerfing the mobility,not giving it a touch of armor, and "Being supportive" is not that easy with its accuracy. This tank is just a troll.

Its size is big,no armor,no speed,only good DPS. What the hell?



Element6 #6 Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:51 AM

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Hmmm, I got this tank back after I got the Offspring tank and retrained that crew to the E1 as the crew layout is the same. That's a bit of a bummer.

Edited by Element6, 27 March 2020 - 07:51 AM.


tajj7 #7 Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:03 AM

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Yeh it looks pretty rubbish overall, it's a weak tank as it is, and they have effectively nerfed it, better pen is not going to change it that much. 

TankkiPoju #8 Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:33 AM

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Come on dude, WG just wants to improve the T54E1 experience! When before it felt like driving around with a broken engine, now it will feel like driving around with also a dead driver.

 

WHen T54E1 cannot compete with tanks like Standard B at all, lets just change it to heavy tank so it cannot compete with other heavy tanks at all. It's fixed, Ivan.

 


Edited by TankkiPoju, 27 March 2020 - 08:34 AM.


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very logical decision, if it performs too good as medium, needs to be moved into heavy line

 

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Flicka #10 Posted 27 March 2020 - 09:51 AM

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Do not have it, but did see QB try it out few times on sandbox, seem to do quite good with it.

Do you really just want constantly more armor and more pen on every vehicle?

And then wonder why the game is what it it..strange behaviour. 



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I don't know. The tank will lose some mobility (only top speed and traverse, p/w remains the same) , but it will gain a lot of penetration, better gun handling and some hit points. Doesn't look like a nerf to me, but it will be inferior  to Emil 2.

pihip #12 Posted 27 March 2020 - 10:57 AM

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T57 Heavy never had any reliable armor to begin with so not sure why T54E1 should get it, but that aside, the latter is gaining some desperately needed penetration (inb4 "but 248 is too low" BS) and the playstyle will be the same - an ambush DPM machine, slower than the French but better at following the bigger heavies in close quarters. 

If the support playstyle is not for you, play Russian or Chinese.

By the way, I'm a cheap [edited]so the lower repair bill and better income are welcome additions. :coin:

Edited by Nikka_Katajainen, 27 March 2020 - 10:58 AM.


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View PostRingo_Star, on 27 March 2020 - 10:16 AM, said:

I don't know. The tank will lose some mobility (only top speed and traverse, p/w remains the same) , but it will gain a lot of penetration, better gun handling and some hit points. Doesn't look like a nerf to me, but it will be inferior  to Emil 2.

Losing mobility, but not get more armor is a big nerf.



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View PostAxeltoft, on 26 March 2020 - 10:13 PM, said:

Decreased dispersion on turret traverse for the 105 mm Gun T140E2 in the T157 turret by 29%

  • Changed the penetration value of the HVAPDS-T T279 shell for the 105 mm Gun T140E2 from 255 to 310 mm
  • Changed the penetration value of the AP-T T182E1 shell for the 105 mm Gun T140E2 from 210 to 248 mm

 

Bruh, the gun will now be awesome, look at that! That's a massive buff!



Homer_J #15 Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:09 PM

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View PostAxeltoft, on 26 March 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

Are wg really planing to change the t54e1 into a heavy tank without changeing any of it's armor!?

 

Why should the armour change?  It's supposed to be the one historical thing in the game.

 

French autoloaders don't have any.



Geno1isme #16 Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:19 PM

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Just like the T57 the strong point of the T54E1 was always the burst potential of almost 1600 damage in under 7 seconds. With the significant dispersion buff and the still pretty good acceleration you'll more likely be able to unload the full clip before the enemy can reload even once. Though WG should improve the clip reload to like 29s so it can compare to other T9 autoloaders similar to the T57.

ZlatanArKung #17 Posted 27 March 2020 - 01:25 PM

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This change just shows how out of touch WG developers are with what changes to tanks do to gameplay and how strong/weak tanks currently are.

pihip #18 Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:45 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 27 March 2020 - 12:09 PM, said:

Why should the armour change?  It's supposed to be the one historical thing in the game.

 

French autoloaders don't have any.

 

French autoloaders have a significant mobility advantage, and can go places most other heavies can only look at from afar. Which is fine since not being hit at all is what they want.

 

View PostZlatanArKung, on 27 March 2020 - 01:25 PM, said:

This change just shows how out of touch WG developers are with what changes to tanks do to gameplay and how strong/weak tanks currently are.

 

Care to explain what do you think should be done then?



Element6 #19 Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:54 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 27 March 2020 - 01:25 PM, said:

This change just shows how out of touch WG developers are with what changes to tanks do to gameplay and how strong/weak tanks currently are.

Not really, they are out of ouch with what some players think the game should be like...because they have a different idea of what the game should be like.



MeNoobTank #20 Posted 27 March 2020 - 03:03 PM

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View PostNikka_Katajainen, on 27 March 2020 - 10:57 AM, said:

T57 Heavy never had any reliable armor to begin with so not sure why T54E1 should get it

 

Sorry bu I cannot agree with that. T57 heavy has pretty good armor. Hull is really good for what it is and turret even if it is not armored has alot of pixels that are auto bounce, just check tanks gg model. If you wiggle just a bit the turret you can bounce 420 HEAT shells from JPZ E100.

 

T54E1 is somewhat similar in that aspect, if you check the tanks gg model but it has a more paperish hull which is ok I guess but also bigger cheeks that are thinner.

 

I don't think they should buff by alot the armor on T54E1 but just slighly, either on the hull which is complete paper or add some more auto bounce zones on the turret and let the hull as it is.

 

Because compare it with the tier 9 Swedish heavy or with the French autoloader, what does it has to comepnsate ? the gun handling is still bad, the loading clip is still pretty bad with bad 2.22 between shots and it is very very slow with not so good armor. I would either buff the armor as I suggested or reduce the loading of the clip and the intra-clip.


Edited by MeNoobTank, 27 March 2020 - 03:06 PM.





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